Is Loma the most overrated boxer of this generation?

Yup.

But that doesn't mean he can't fight.

BTW; the poll questions are funny as hell.

 

I'll go back to my point on Rigondeaux pre fight.

Who predicted Loma to win easier than he actually did? You won't find any boxing people who predicted it, and I'm sure there wouldn't be many people on this board who did.

Im one of the biggest Loma fans on here, and I said if Rigo won 4 rounds it should be counted as a loss. Some thought I was overrating him with that, yet Loma outperformed that estimate. I never thought Rigo wouldnt land a single meaningful shot.

An overrated fighter should have plenty of people, both boxing insiders and on message boards, predicting they'll win way easier than they really do. Thats what "overrated" is. Yet, that isn't really the case with Loma. If the Walters and Rigo wins were worthless, boxing wouldn't have been so surprised he made it as easy as he did. The shock value wouldn't have been there.

 

Hey ellerbe, I just went on YT & searched out Ali v Deondre Wilder (or whatever the **** his name is)... that inked up dude who looks like he just left a crack den gangbang at the local Zulu nation gathering, the big slow ass ugly dude who gasses half way through a fight, the fake paper champion guy! You know, that guy who throws punches like he's having an autistic episode cos the fire alarm went off! Anyway... Some dudes are saying he'd beat Ali! Not everyone but some... Shout out to them... It's all going down on YT bro!

 

Truth is there are too many intangibles & variables to even get close to labelling any fighter 'tmofoat'... It's just personal opinion really unless you have researched every single fighter ever, acutely analyzed there fan base narrative, decided that it is the most hyperbolic (& even then that's just his own personal opinion) & then checked your opinion that he is matches with the majority of boxing fans past & present (which is impossible) to even come near an answer! LOL I don't think that's what he did...

 

Hmmm Shane Mosley rose to p4p #1 because of what he did at LW. And he did jack **** at LW. He beat NOBODY at LW. His fight against DLH solidified his spot as a very good fighter, but before then he was rated for nothing.

Diego Corrales rose to p4p #4 at 130 and he did jack **** at 130. He beat NOBODY. His best wins were Robert Garcia and Angel Manfreddy.

Now Loma is generally regarded as p4p #1 by most. But his resume is much better than Mosley and Corrales were. But I agree that in part that his status is a little overblown. For example Gassiev after he fights Usyk will have as a good a resume as Loma. But a tenth of the fans and media love.

Another guy I forgot was Tsyzu. He was rated, but he never beat anybody. His best win was literally Zab Judah..

 

LMAO Well prove to me he's the one who's getting overrated the most on those platforms then? How u gunna do that Shirley? You saying it doesn't make it necessarily true does it? Your stats, numbers, average's?? Etc etc

@ellerbe 's brain capacity

 

That's a great point....being overrated isn't really about the fighter so much as other people's opinions.

If Loma wins more dominantly than most predict before the fight, it's safe to say he's really not overrated in a broad sense. It shows up in pre-fight predictions. Compare that to what actually happens in the ring.

By that measure, way more of Loma's fights involve him meeting or outperforming the consensus opinion than ones where he doesn't meet expectations. That's not the mark of an overrated fighter.

 

The current P4P number 1 / greatest amateur ever is 'overrated', LOL he's too far too proven and far too damn good to be overrated- any person I've shown a Loma clip or shown his list of achievements to they have been in awe of him.

 

You must be new to internet boxing forums then.

 

Loma is IMO one of the most gifted fighters in the last decade or two.

 

I see your point. Very well thought out. I believe the hype comes from the fact that he is fighting at a higher level than anyone has, given the level of professional experience. Not only is he beating guys thay have much more pro experience, he's making guys flat out quit on their stools. I cannot think of any fighter that has done what Loma is doing right now. So , I understand the hype, but as you mentioned, people saying he beats the likes of Duran, Manny and Floyd is a bit of a stretch at this juncture of his career.

 

Lomachenko has some of the most outrageous skills I've yet seen in the ring. I'd be confident in saying that thus far he is probably the most promising active boxer.

On the other hand, his resume is really short (though really good) and I want at least double the number of fights before I start saying he beats Duran etc. Tyson looked unbeatable when he was on his rampage but once he started fighting more and different fighters holes in his game became apparent. Mind you even 24 or so fights is a short resume for an ATG but I'll have to tip my hat to the extremely high quality he has fought up till now.

 

Dammit, now it sounds like I'm agreeing with Ellerbe.

 

No I don’t believe Lomachenko is overrated at all. He went 396-1 as an amateur and won back to back Gold medals. As well as boxer of the tournament in one Olympics.
That is a special talent.
Turns pro - and faces lights out opposition for his first 10-15 fights. In fact I can’t think of anyone that had faced that level of opposition this early in his career. Granted he is old for turning pro- so I expected his learning curve to be short-but not- non existent. The man has no filler in his record.
Then throw in the eye test - for me he is clearly p4p number one. He had a run of 4 straight top level pros quit on their stools.
Now on the flip side- his aggressive style I believe will lead to an unexpected loss sometime - he may get timed and clipped at some point like Pac did against JMM. But then he doesn’t stink places out and has already moved beyond his natural weight to attract opposition at an age where his body is already filled out. He is not a big man and I don’t believe he would win many fights against ATG’s above feather. But I am really appreciating what he is doing and who he is seeking out to fight so quickly.
We just had a period where we had the top p4p fighter in the game do things like retire rather than face his top threat in his prime and close out his career against 0 fight novice in the sport. Lomachenko is refreshing and clear p4p number 1.
Linares, Russell, Walters, and even Rigo are quality wins of varying degrees. To have those names and titles in 3 weight classes before your 15th fight is insane.

 

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