Is Lomachenko’s Ascension to GOAT the Fastest in History???

you do realise you're talking to the biggest Pac fan you likely ever will on here right?

 

Loma would look soft and flabby at 147. His peak is likely 140.

 

Again with the accusations w/o proof. No one was claiming PEDs until the guy who needed IV bags. And yet after the accuser is proven a fraud, you still claim what he sold w/o one shred of proof. It's like when a **** accuser is proven wrong, you still blame the guy for probably raping. Makes sense? This is why PED cheating accusations are very powerful and negative at the same time. Once someone accuses you, its out there. It can't be bottled back up. That is why Pac sued the Fluid team, to prove in a court of law. And who backed down and ran from it? Was it Pac? Who needed iv bags and a TUE to clear them at the end of that charade? Yet Pac is the suspicious one?

WTF does GGG have to do with Loma? Loma wishes he had GGG problems. Those two are opposities because one had to toil away in obscurity until he built up his brand. Loma got fast tracked to where he is. Loma is no Kareem. Not even sure you understood the analogy. Right now Loma has done very well, but you are ****ing delusional if you think he's at the Rook of the Year, MVP, and Finals MVP. You just exposed yourself as clueless if you think that.

 

Yeah it's kind of hypothetical, but not totally, in that you just weigh up who has achieved more at their weight/weights, and how they achieved it really. Them winning/losing fights and titles isn't hypothetical.

What makes it more hypothetical is thinking about Wisaksil Wangek v Anthony Joshua, how you gonna come up with a winner of that bout if they were the same hypothetical weight? What would they both even be like meeting in the middle? You know?

Ideally if they're all similar in weight then fighting each other is a real possibility, but in instances like that^^ that way of looking at it just doesn't work.

 

Hello Primal Pledge.

 

I'm not going to count titles Loma has won to determine his greatness. For me, it's going to depend greatly on who he beat, and did he defend?

 

Good exchanges here.

I tend to agree with A-One -but I also understand the term has evolved since its inception.

Your reply : What makes it more hypothetical is thinking about Wisaksil Wangek v Anthony Joshua, how you gonna come up with a winner of that bout if they were the same hypothetical weight? What would they both even be like meeting in the middle? You know?

As I understand- that is exactly the origin of the term: Walker Smith wasn't the first to win at a different weight class, but the way he did it caused writers to claim he could probably beat anyone- no matter the weight division or the pounds he weighed.


Today's generation has strayed away from that exact meaning...or allowed the term to evolve. If, so then that plays to your point.

 

I think it's pretty clear Loma is noticeably a more skilled boxer than Pac. Pac had two of the greatest athletic tools a fighter can have -- unreal speed and explosive punching power. He also clearly had a bigger frame than Loma. Loma is a good to great athlete who is clearly a natural FW and mainly wins because of his skill. He just beat the LW champ who is naturally much bigger than him, a better athlete, and VERY highly skilled himself who has only lost in the past because of durability issues. That's unbelievable. He beat a guy who is way bigger than him, much bigger puncher than him, faster than him, and skill wise one of the elites in all the sport solely on skill.

 

Interesting story, and something I didn't know.

I'd always been led to believe that it was the excellence of Sugar Ray Robinson that led to a p4p ranking becoming a big thing.

I personally do think it has evolved and in my opinion, with good reason. Ranking fighters based on merit, makes more sense than doing so based on hypothetical situations and assumption.

I do think what you described does still exist, but I believe it is only a single factor that's considered rather than the whole basis of the ranking

 

This is why it's so hard to get behind Lomo...

His fans are outrageously stupid.

 

not all, but i know the ones you speak of. when describing loma, they grab on to the shiniest version they see out there and just run with it. not an original thought in the head.

 

If he'd had a normal career, I think any one of those guys could have beat him. Salido did. We would have seen him on a normal learning curve and he'd take twenty or twenty-five fights leading up to where he actually started. His career might look something like Joshua's.

But Lomachenko isn't the most decorated amateur ever. Felix Savon has three Olympic Golds to Loma's two, six gold medals and one silver at the world championships to Loma's two golds and one silver, three gold for the Pan American Games, 4 gold for the Carribean, and 4 world to Loma's 1 European championship. Laszlo Papp has roughly as good a resume as Lomachenko's even without the world championships which wouldn't be invented until thirty years later. Rigondeaux is substantially more decorated too.

 

Re: the three weight class champion thing. Linares did it before Lomachenko and nobody gave a ****. He's been a three weight champion almost as long as Lomachenko has been a pro. Again, nobody gave a ****. Ricky Burns is a three weight titlist. Adrien Broner and Jorge Arce are four weight titlists. The titles are kind of degraded from where they were when Canzoneri and Armstrong pulled that trick. It's impressive in it's way, but I'm more impressed by beating hall of famers than by picking up trinkets.

 

Yeah, well Duran made a comeback at 37 years old weighing 156 on fight night for a middleweight fight, against a monster puncher and better champion than Linares in Barkley. He was bloated, fighting at a weight class that he needed to put on more weight than his frame could handle, looking pudgy and nearly knocked him out.

He also fought most his early career as a lightweight, moved to welter because they were making way more money than he was. Specially head hunting Leonard, one of the most athletically gifted fighters of their time, as well as one of the pound for pound kings of their time, as well as one of the best in the history of the division and beat them.

Do you consider Linares to be in the same class P4P to Leonard? Leonard had comparable speed, better footwork, defense, power, skill and chin. He also has way better wins than Linares.

Also Linares, does not hold a candle to Pac's best wins.

 

10 players pretty much summed all this nonsense up.

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