Is Lomachenko more skilled, talented, athletic and complete than Roberto Duran was?

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  1. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yo, we all gotta unite at some point and stop the lunacy frfr...
     
  2. BlizzyBlizz

    BlizzyBlizz Loyal Member Full Member

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    Duran wasn't out of shape. That's the excuse his fans use because they can't believe that he quit. Duran couldn't dig deep to get the fire that he had for the first fight. And Leonard boxed his ass off.
     
  3. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    They were amateurs, as are the Floyd fanboys.
    This is the big leagues now. Loma, is the big leaguer.
     
  4. Neebur

    Neebur Active Member Full Member

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    :patsch Everybody involved in the no mas fight knows Duran was not in the same shape due to having to cut so much weight that he piled on after Montreal. He made weight but not the proper way. This is factual and confirmed not just by Duran's team but also Leonard's team and Leonard himself who admits Duran was slower and had less sting in his punches due to having to cut so much weight, something they knew would happen when Duran signed the fight. Team Leonard's tactic worked and they are not shy in admitting it.

    and if you watched the fight you would clearly see Leonard did not box Duran's ass off before the quit, he was clowning around and Duran couldn't take it. The fight was a lot closer than people make out before Duran shamefully quit. Try watching it :deal

    Lets keep this thread on the topic of Loma and Duran please :good
     
  5. BlizzyBlizz

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    Duran quit and I don't give fighters excuses once you enter that ring, so stop giving Duran one. And the fight wasn't close in my book.
     
  6. THE BLADE 2

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    He would win. if Floyd fights a defensive fight he might lose a UD though.
     
  7. Neebur

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    Facts are facts. There's been multiple threads on this subject that will back up my claims with sources.

    Leonard was 2 or 3 rounds up before the quit. My point is it wasnt this masterful schooling Leonard fans like to claim. The ones who do spout such garbage haven't even watched the fight and probably base their opinions on seeing clips and photo's of Ray clowning.
     
  8. BlizzyBlizz

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    We saw and heard everything everyone has said about this fight. The facts are Duran quit, and that Duran didn't fight like he was out of shape.

    He fought like he didn't want to deal with a guy boxing in front of a pro American crowd in New Orleans after Ray Charles sang the national anthem.:lol: Foh. Duran could've came in the same fight as fight one and he was going to lose that night.
     
  9. THE BLADE 2

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    It was not the same Duran than from the first fight.He was not in the same kind of shape and lacked the desire.Still, Leonard deserves lots of credit for that historical win.
     
  10. Neebur

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    Your last point is where the real debate is, not the fact Duran was not in top shape for the second fight, which he 100% was not.

    Does the Leonard of no mas beat Montreal Duran is the real big question and one that splits opinions big time. I know what I think but that's for another thread :D
     
  11. Gannicus

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    I'm certain of this regarding No Mas (I'm right, and everybody who disagrees, is wrong) -

    1. Duran quit because Leonard wasn't adhering to the skilled macho boxing philosophy of 'outpoint-by-fighting'. Leonard was predominantly using the 'outpoint-by-not-fighting' philosophy.

    2. Leonard wasn't strictly using the 'outpoint-by-not-fighting' philosophy, he was fusing it with fighting in certain spots to win rounds. This fusion made it one of the best performances of all time.

    People say 'Duran struggles with movement, he can't take people who try to stay at range..Mayweather beats him'.

    However, to beat Duran, it requires being able to box AND out-gun him by fighting at spots. Leonard was able to do it because he can box and brawl, but was choosing to brawl only when he knew he could be most successful (because if he was to brawl long enough, he would have lost the round). That, is why Leonard frustrated Duran.

    Duran was annoyed at Leonard's lack of machoism yet found that whenever it came to the brawl, Leonard was having his way. Duran wanted more of the brawl like the first fight, which meant the fight would be in his favour, but Leonard knew better.
    The frustrations Duran had was also his own fault, because he certainly wasn't in the best shape for it (although he was still in pretty good shape). Not even his shape would have prevented the loss that night.


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  12. BlizzyBlizz

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    Duran lacked the desire the in the 2nd fight and Leonard didn't box the first fight. Neither excuse was accepted, and they won't be accepted today.
     
  13. Neebur

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    :good
     
  14. OvidsExile

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    Not as good as Duran, but better than Mayweather.
     
  15. BlizzyBlizz

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    Loma lost and Pac got ktfo. Floyd gives Duran a great fight. Loma and Pac are less talented than Floyd and Duran...and both Loma and Pac get ktfo by Duran.