is Lomachenko overrated fighter?

I wish the term "overrated" in these thread would be defined by some logical parameters.
Otherwise personally I can't say yes or no.

Of course he is an ATG amateur but as a pro....not so much to me. Legit losses to Salido (yeah there should have been point deduction), Haney (close ut not a robbery IMO))
and Lopez. In only 20 fights. I'm not in the camp that demands an unblemished record but 17-3 isn't earthshaking to me. Started too late to reach 30-40 bouts and yes the war certainly has something to do with it.

He's had an unlucky career I think.

 

Slightly off topic. I've ranted about this topic a lot before but it infuriates me how most sports fans literally think that "skill" is some magical quality that's completely seperate from your physical body, genetics or athletic ability. The most skilled athletes in the world ARE the most genetically gifted athletes in the world. Skills are just expressions of athleticism, and athleticism is just the expression of genes.

The idea his defenders put forth, that an absolute genetic freak like Loma "isn't athletically gifted" because he's only got 10/10 hand speed, lower body speed, upper body speed, reaction speed, balance, hand eye coordination, dexterity, proprioception, skill acquisition, skill retention, cardiovascular endurance and muscular endurance, but not 10/10 punching power, is ridiculous. If he's not athletic then no one is. It's like when people say Larry Bird is unathletic, as if a strong, 6'9 230lbs man that is so accurate he can throw a ball into a hoop from 30ft away whilst falling backwards is just physically an average joe lol. If he took away his dexterity and hand eye coordination but gained speed and leaping ability higher he'd be a WORSE athlete, not a better one.

Furthermore, it's not even like size was the determining factor behind Loma losing his fights. People talk like he was being bullied by Armstrong or Duran. He lost his fights because his strategy was utter ass cheeks. Loma has / had the athleticism required to be a top level ATG. The biggest thing stopping him isn't him not being RJJ, (who I don't even rate THAT highly) it's his own decision making skills from both an in the ring and a career perspective. If he turned professional 4 years earlier and had a higher fight IQ then he could very well have been in the top tier atg conversation. The fact that some people act like he retroactively had no chance because he's not athletically gifted enough is insane.

 

His marketability came too late as is the case with a lot of fighters. Lomachenko should have been a PPV star straight away yet he was slogging it out on ESPN Top Rank cards most of his career.

Loma seemingly has one foot in retirement already now the casual recognition $$$ has arrived....

 

He moved up 3 divisions? I didn't know he fought at 122. Also no, Teo fight could not have been scored either way.

 

He's very underrated, especially in this era. Boxing is full of running cowards that cut 30 pounds to gain an unfair advantage while Lomachenko overcomes enormous disparities in weight and reach while always taking the fight to the opponent.

 

The biggest problem for Loma was taking on too much. Being too ambitious. Rare today to see a fighter run towards the fire instead of taking the safe route. He likes a challenge at least

 

Okay, he campaigned in 3.

 

My view on lomachenko is that if there was a mad featherwight or super feather division about these last 8 years he would be one of the greats. He would be in there with anyone in those weights. I feel he went up to lightweight to chase the bigger fights and therefore is giving away attributes in size.
He is still good enough to beat some lightweights but the way it is nowadays its basically a super feather fighting a light welter. You have to be a level or two above to beat those sort of weights and when you are looking at the top notch guys it becomes hard for him to look as good.
So overall I say lomachenko against any featherweight in history he is in there and stands a chance and at super feather but lightweight isn't the perfect weight for him in the pro ranks

 

He’s not American. That’s his problem. Only loss he has in my view is Lopez.

 

I've thought a few times over his career that Loma doesn't understand the wheels that turn behind the scenes to 'encourage' certain outcomes. Taking the last round off vs. Haney is a risk that few US, Mexican, or English fighters would take.

 

Three weight classes isn't a big deal this day and age. An ATG at 126 is expected to handle a move up to 135, particularly when his primary opponents are green, inexperienced fighters and not long reigning champions. He should've been able to handle a 16 fight Teo and a Haney with no real big fight experience... and with no real difficulty.

No excuses. You don't get extra credit for having short arms.

 

Some real thickos in this thread.

Who else is beating top level opposition the same size and bigger? It’s much easier to look good against a smaller opponent. The only deluded people are those who don’t understand this rather simple concept.

Some of the only guys beating fighters bigger than them : Lomachenko, Usyk and Inoue.

Crawford gets hyped to the high heaven for weight bullying 95% of his career then topping it off fighting a brain damaged, inactive, drained Spence.

Lomachenko beat two guys that had at least 10lbs on him, height and reach advantage and much younger. He even beat one with one arm (Lopez, who looked at least 150lbs). Both fights were robberies.

Salido should have straight up DQd

 

Honestly, how did you score Loma Lopez rbr? That W rightfully belongs to Teofimo

 

No it doesn’t.

Loma won rounds 2, 6 (many thought Lopez won these, but he didn’t land cleanly like Loma), 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.

 

Lopez won fair and square I don’t know what you were watching.