Is Lomachenko's Ascension To P4P #1 The Fastest In History???

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  1. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    The 3 weight divisions are awesome and the 4 quit jobs are also gravy, but I think Lomachenko's most impressive stat is the fact that he became the P4P King in only 12 fights.

    Anyone ever do it faster?
     
  2. JacK Rauber

    JacK Rauber Unbourboned by what has been Full Member

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    Yes, but it is a little deceptive given his unmatched amateur experience.
     
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  3. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    "Quit jobs"... Yeah, Rigo and Walters did so, but Marriaga and Sosa got a beatdown.
     
  4. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    They were comprehensively schooled, but they didn't get the stuffing beat out of them.
     
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  5. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Dude... Did you even watch the Sosa and Marriaga fights?
    Sosa especially, he got beaten the **** down.
     
  6. the factor

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    Every thing he does is the fastest in history. Some people hold his success as an amateur against like it is an unfair lead into his pro career. There have been plenty of amateurs that have had 100's of fights but none have come close to Lomas record breaking career as an amateur or pro.
     
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  7. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Sosa was beaten, but not "beaten the **** down" as you say. To me, that means the guy's face is a bloody and pulpy mess and he's stumbling all over the ring out on his feet and people on the forum are like ref needs to stop the fight now!
     
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  8. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    That body attack tho. He was beaten down. He couldnt fight back anymore.
     
  9. Tomato(e) Can

    Tomato(e) Can Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao. banned Full Member

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    Rungvisai.
    Spence.
    Lomachenko.

    The three best bodypunchers in the game.
     
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  10. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    This is what happens when you give a pair of gloves to a high IQ natural talent.
     
  11. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think they started doing pound for pound ratings in 1990; so if you don't take into account earlier guys like Tony Canzoneri, probably. Of course, Lomachenko isn't The Ring's #1 p4p yet.
     
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  12. Tomato(e) Can

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    Screw the Ring. Consensus is that Loma is the man.
     
  13. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I was thinking about that phrasing "fastest in history." I know people mean in the fewest fights, but he hasn't been fighting as a pro for more than five years. He doesn't have a lot of fights for how much time has passed. I wonder how he stacks up in terms of time? I mean, Canzoneri held titles from featherweight to lightweight in his first five years on the job. Inside of six he'd have the light welterweight title too. He was probably considered #1 p4p then at 23 after he'd beaten Jack Berg, Al Singer, Sammy Fuller, Billy Petrolle, Benny Bass, Johnny Dundee and had a hundred fights.

    It made me wonder how much you have to do to get rated #1 by Ring, so I went back and looked at people's accomplishments when they were first rated #1. Some had accomplished more than others by the time their worth was recognized.

    2018 Golovkin- Alvarez, Jacobs, Lemieux
    2017 Ward - Kovalev, Froch, Kessler, Abrahams, Bika, Dawson
    2016 Gonzalez - Estrada, Cuadras, Viloria, Sosa, Yaegashi
    2008 Pacquiao - Morales, Barrera, JMM, De La Hoya, Ledwaba
    2005 Mayweather - Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales
    2002 Hopkins - Trinidad
    2000 Mosley - De La Hoya
    1997 De La Hoya - Whitaker, Chavez, Hernandez, Camacho
    1996 RJJ - McCallum, Toney, Hopkins
    1993 Whitaker - Chavez, McGirt, Nelson, Haugen, Mayweather Sr., Ramirez
    1990 Chavez - Taylor, Mayweather Sr., Ramirez, Rosario, Laporte, Lockridge, Castillo
    1989 Tyson - Holmes, Spinks, Bruno, Tucker, Berbick

    The fastest of these 12 to make their way to #1 was Tyson who rose up the ranks in just over three years. De La Hoya did it in about 5. RJJ in 6.
     
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    From P4P#1 in the amateurs to P4P#1 in the pros in less than 12 fights IMO, but certainly 12 if not that. Won gold in every amateur tournament he entered (and didn't have to pull out with an injury) with the exception of one time when he came home with a silver. Amazing!

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