Is Louis's 25 title defenses the greatest accomplishment in boxing?

No, Ali retired. Otherwise the lineage dies with Tunney.

It is totally broken.

He said he didn't wanna be considered number 1 as his brother was stronger than him.

 

No it wasn't, it was an old vs new scenario. Lineage is a new ideal because of belts.

I could point to a half dozen situations were lineage was decided by other than 1 v 2. Robinson v Bell is the best example I can think of. Hart v Root was basically a majority vote. 1 v 2 is an idealist view but not always a reality.

 

Who are we saying is/isn't the heavyweight champ?

Wlad is the best heavyweight in the World IMO, and the legit champ

 

And so it should, straw weight is a terrible division with no depth whatsoever.

 

I'm counting from Byrd by the way. Yeah, Burd didn't really 'beat' Vitali, but he did, and then Wlad beat him amd Vitali was off the radar for ages. Wlad has beaten better opposition since, with the possible exception of Solis, who never lived up to his potential anyway.

 

That's the point though, this quest of lineage is revisionist and people look for a model to trace back.

I don't remember off the top of my head who the top contender was but I remember having this debate with stoney a few years ago, about times where lineage was recognised from fights other than 1 v 2. Robinson v Bell was one of them, Hart v Root was another. The MW scene circa Thil was similar also.

CyberBoxing have made a few mistakes regarding lineages, they're pretty selective in what the consider as fights also, again I don't remember the individual mistakes but I remember emailing stoney about them years ago. They claim to be strict about 1v2 but again in the pre alphabet soup dates they aren't strict at all, as noone is.

Like I said, I don't remember it all now but regardless this is just a tangent. Louis was an undisputed champ, since Ali retired there hasn't been an undisputed champ at all. Undisputed is a great achievement but I don't give old era fighters extra kudos be a use it was achieved in one fight.

Like I said, in terms of the real world. If wlad somehow reaches 25 defences post Byrd, it will be recognised globally.

 

No, that was because they had a close fight for the vacant title. Bell was ranked 7th I think, he was the highest available opponent.

Who is lineal at WW? Was Floyd vs Marquez a defence of a shot at the vacant title?

De La Hoya vs Mosley is usually lauded as a lineage starter but that wasn't 1 v 2. That criteria wasn't met until Forrest v Mosley 2.

1v2 is a good system but it isn't the only one that was used throughout history.

 

Ali wasn't number 1 or 2 though which is my main point. 1v2 isn't the only system.

Yes, Jeffries said the winner of Hart v Root got his belt. That sure stuck.

 

1. armstrong 3 belts at same time
2. robinson 125-1
3. fitz's belts

after that its even harder to separate things.

 

wlad reaching 25 will have zero recognition globally (assuming that means outside boxing people)