Biggest waste of talent? Hardly that talented on evidence. - Lost twice to a very limited and flawed fighter with a poor padded record. - Only one notable win his whole career against Jennings ( which isn't that notable). - Looked defensively poor againsr even Hammer who found it rather easy to land. - Turn down a career high purse to fight AJ. Yet despite his resume lacking any quality, he still finds himself in Ring top 10. Its debatable in my opinion that he is one of most overrated boxers in history.
lol Best win was Jennings whoes only claim to fame was to go 12 with Wlad which made him relevant.. Couldn't do what pillow fisted Fury did.
No, I thought we put this myth to bed years ago. When your only good wins are Bryant Jennings, Malik Scott and an ancient Tony Thompson and you lose twice to Wilder you're just not that worth shouting about. I won't rewrite history though. There was a time back in 2016 or so when I genuinely thought Ortiz would go on to do some pretty big things in the division. But the cold hard facts are that he didn't, then went back to his bum bashing tour before getting KOed by Wilder. So waste of talent? Yeah, possibly. But sometimes you just know you don't have it in you, and Ortiz's career shows me a man who didn't really believe himself capable of hanging at the top but wanted to maintain the illusion of being able to do so by beating up endless no-hopers while crowing about how all the best guys were ducking him (then turning down the biggest opportunity of his career). Nah, not buying that narrative anymore.
No, someone like Roberto Cammarelle not turning pro after the 2008 Olympics is one of the biggest wastes of talent. They guy was good enough to be a top 3 guy and had the style to give Wlad problems.
He had a good run there. Took 2017 off and then got a shot at Wilder. Twice. He had his opportunities.
No, it would be Valuev, who accomplished a lot more than Miller. John Ruiz is a much better win than anybody Miller beat.
Why would show up talking about accomplishments in a thread about wastes talent? Miller is wasted talent and in 2019 was better than Valuev ever was.
1. Wasn't it his team that turned that down (him unknowing), and once he found out he was ultimately pissed off about it? 2. He's had a moderately decent career all things considered (not American but American based, non english speaking, fought twice for a belt, consistently top 10 ranked). It could be better, but it could be far worse for him.
Always get flashbacks of Jurassic Park 3 when I think of grandpa Ortiz. Was he fighting cavemen in prehistoric times?
Cammarelle was a beast. Reminded me a lot of Corrie Sanders. And he beat Joshua in the Olympic finals IMO. He was definitely a much greater what if story than Ortiz.
So the story goes. But who knows the truth? And I don't think he changed his team in the aftermath so I doubt he was too ticked off about it anyway. And frankly Ortiz's choice of opponents excluding Wilder doesn't lend any credence to the notion that he was angling after the big fights. Someone like Michael Hunter fits that description far better.
