Is Manny Pacquiao a top 12 all time great

It's a fair question. Name them. You can add FMJ and BHOP to the list if you like.

 

Let's start with the guy on my avatar:good

 

I have Leonard and Whitaker above him. You could make an argument for a few others too.

 

He is borderline top 12, im sure a few years down the line he will be on many peoples top 10 PFP.

 

Love it, according to ESB, Cotto pushed him into the top 20 and now Clottey pushed him to the top 12

 

My only problem with Leonard is that he had only 40 fights under his belt. Yes they were quality fights, but quantity counts too. I can't put Whitaker above Pac, he just hasn't done enough even if you were to say that he won over Chavez and De La Hoya.

 

I am A Foreman fan but he is definitely not a top 25 ATG. He is probably top 50 though.

 

I agree, Foreman was great, but a top 25 listing is an extreme "at best" case for Foreman.

 

No its a combo of everything, for me a big part of it is jumping from Fly to Welter. Name me someone who has done that? He continues to improve and yet he has already been great for a while.

 

Leonard squeezed enough quality into a relatively short career to be ranked in the top 15 ever.

Whitaker was a four-weight champ, unified Lightweight and had an excellent run at 147 where he was linear champion. Personally I thought he drew with Oscar - and we all know he beat Chavez.

At Lightweight, I thought Pea looked almost perfect - his performances against Ramirez, Haugen and Nelson were poetry in motion. Not to mention he was one of the greatest defensive fighters ever.

 

I haven't made a list but I don't think he has done quite enough to get in top 12. Definitely top 20, maybe even top 15, a win against Mayweather puts him well into the top 10 imo. So no, but there is a good chance he will be by the end of his career. I hope he doesn't hang up his gloves. Mayweather + Bradley on his resume would be incredible. Doubt that will happen though.

 

not yet top 12 for me...before the clottey fight I had at the lower 20s.

 

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Once he beats Mayweather's ***** ass, he's pretty much locked in.

 

no. undisputed welter and a jr middle belt would put him there imo.