Is Manny Pacquiao a top 12 all time great

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Joe Louis
7. Ezzard Charles
8. Manny Pacquiao
9. Roberto Duran
10. Willie Pep

11. Benny Leonard
12. Ray Leonard
13. Pernell Whitaker
14. Archie Moore
15. Bob Fitzsimmons

 

Top 100 and that's pushing it

 

he could be depending on your preference he has the credentials but so 100 other boxers .. so you can make the case for top 10 all the way to top200.. there are too many great boxers to just make a bias list and say that's the one.. is all relative to the person making the list and his alliances and preferences.. i wouldnt put him in my top 20 but hey some might and i wont argue against it
:hat

 

Pacquiao above Duran? :rofl

 

**** off.

 

I have him either 11 or 13. Just don't know which option to choose :think

 

why is bladerunner still posting????


anyways, pac inside top 30...

 

You are everything that is wrong with the casual boxing fan. You sit on Boxrec and look at records and that's it.

Burley beat Fritzie Zivic, Cocoa Kid, Archie Moore, Holman Williams, Bert Lytell, Oakland Billy Smith and Jack Chase in his career, a very, very solid resumé indeed. Pacquiao has not beaten any fighter the calibre of Moore or Williams.

And Cocoa Kid lost often because he fought often, and he fought hard and against the best. You do not seem to grasp the fact that these guys did not obtain the advantages that fighters do today.

And back on the subject of Burley, Eddie Futch among others has said he's the best fighter that he's ever seen. Burley was often cast out and not given the luxury of picking his fights like Pacquiao has, he took what he could get.

Robinson didn't want to fight Burley, and Fritzie Zivic went to incredibly lengths not to face Burley again by having his manager Luke Carney buy Burley's contract. He is a legitimate top 20 ATG. Pacquiao is not.

And you strike me as one of these boxing fans who sits behind Boxrec, coming out with what he thinks is intelligent stuff, and then expects not to get called up on it.

Pacquiao does not trump Whitaker. Sweet Pea cleaned out the 135 division on his way to unifying the belts and becoming undisputed by beating excellent fighters such as Azumah Nelson and Jose Luis Ramirez twice.

He beat the #1 welterweight in Buddy McGirt comfortably twice, and in reality easily defeated Chavez around 9-3 before getting ****ed on the cards, a fight you clearly have not seen in action after your comment about 'Whitaker couldn't beat him', and instead have only seen listed on Boxrec.

And when he moved up to take titles, he took on the top guys, such as McGirt and the hard-punching dangerous 154lber Julio Cesar Vasquez, not the likes of C- level paper champion David Diaz or damaged goods in Miguel Cotto below his natural weight.

 

Didn't see this before. Good post in exposing a clueless boxing 'fan'.

 

beat floyd and shane top 5 all time great right now top 20

 

How?

 

No problem it'll do:good

 

You are contradicting yourself. You just said he was lower than Mayweather. Which is it?

 

I have him around 60-65.

 

We aren't talking in mathematical terms, we are talking about lists. Do you not understand the concept of a list? The fact that 18 would be HIGHER up on a list than 20?