Is Manny Pacquiao a top 20 Atg

You mean you went off and made a thread of what I said because you didn't understand my point...!!!??? Everyone understood my point, yet you like...literally took what I said and turned it into me saying that Ledwaba isn't a black fighter??? Whooooooooo...he-he.........whoooooooooooooo...he-he...hahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha...lol Google the expression, The Real McCoy, and hopefully, you'll understand my point lol...lol...:rofl

 

Passed it to who...Randy Moss?

 

look at the other thread... they consider you a moron

 

of course i know where are you going ******..

but it just happened that in lower weight divisions not much american black fighters around and if there were any, those black americans were bums :yep:yep:yep

ledwaba defended it 5 times until he met a 2 weeks sub named pac.



if i were you, google "******ation and you'll figure it out :good

 

what has ledwaba done after his defeat:deal

 

After Pac destroyed him, Ledwaba took 13 months off. Fought once, beating 37-3 Vurani Bangu, and then took another 18 months off, after which he was never the same.

Basically after Pac destroyed him Ledwaba fought once in 30 months.

actually even another 10 months after that when he was obviously past it, he was essentially robbed against Cassius Baloyi. And that was at Super feather, not jr feather.

 

i think its hard to leave either fighter floyd or Pac out of the top 50...they have done a lot for the sport, fought great fights throughout there careers not just the later parts of their careers they dominate opponents.

i also think its hard to comapre resumes simply because like people have already done you can nit pick at anyones resume even our solidified ATG's resumes could be scrutinized so its not fair to judge resume's so hard but i agree you have to consider them.

Also you have to look at a fighters ENTIRE career not just the tail end as Pac and Floyd appear to both be on theirs.

Lastly remember our past ATG's did not have the HUGE money factor like today or the many different weigt classes so ultimately it inevitable for most of them to fight each other...one because fighters then fought so much to make a lot today they are looking for the maximum payday which can secure them for a while...back then maximum payday which could secure you for a while was EXTREMEMLY harder then today. In fact today if your shelter enough by your promoter and managers you can build a big name for yourself and land in a huge fight. I think todays fighters have learned from our yester year fighters.

 

lol, I think that answered his question. That defeat must have really put things into perspective for Ledwaba. Im sure getting trashed like that couldnt have done much for his confidence or desire for the game, hence why only 1 fight in 30months.

 

that and promotional problems

 

Even with the new weight classes taken away and the older ones kept, Pac would still be making records in championships won over that many weight divisions. He would still have won 4-5 weight divisions...now before the new weight divisions came along, who else has done that?

 

LOL!

Not even top 50?

So in the 11 decades of "modern" boxing, the best fighter of this decade can't get in ahead of an average of 4 from the other 10 decades?

What a joke.

Yes, you can easily make a case for top 20. You can also make a case for him being outside the top 20. It comes down to opinion because it's borderline.

 

NO real boxers on his resume ... he hasn't yet to come close to top 100 ...

 

:huh

 

Comon you can say the same for Floyd.

Floyd ranks high on the ATG list because of his wins in different divisions, not because of his level of opposition.

And still Pac's level of opposition has been better than Floyd's.

I would say Pac is top 50 or maybe top 40.

 

4 Lineal championships
6 Divisional champs
Won three divisional fights in 1 year

Barrera, Morales, Marquez, dela Hoya, Hatton in his resume.

How can you not consider him an ATG?