Is Manny Pacquiao a top 20 Atg

Just joking above, that donkey Tarver wouldnt crack a 300 list but if Pac beats Floyd he does make my top 10 list, no doubt.

 

He will be after one more big win (Mosley or PBF) or two lesser (Cotto, Marquez, Bradley, Diaz, Valero)

 

What ? :admin

This aint april 1st.

 

Asero, your really hot & cold as a poster I must say.... your in ****in antartica just now mate.

If Pacquiao Kos a 35/36 yr old JMM, he is better than Duran ?

That is some serious ******ed bull**** right there :-(

 

He is already an ATG, be happy with that.
(Who cares what some old dudes place a number on him)

 

I love how *******s always make the hidden polls.

 

Well, I think Pac looks absolute peak at these higher weights & certainly has carried all his attributes up with him, its gonna take a special fighter to even run him close let alone beat him IMO so if Floyd can beat Pac, he is definitely top 15-20... if he beats him clearly or KOs him, he could be argued top 10.
Since there IS a natural size difference between FMJ & Pac, Pac automatically gets top 10 for a Mayweather win in my book tho.

:good

 

I ****in hate hidden polls :twisted:

 

Just to play the devils advocate, why cant Pac be on par or even overtake Duran in terms of greatness?

Let me see, Durans best wins: 103-16-0
Buchanan
Esteban de Jesus*2
Davey Moore
SRL
Cuevas
Barkley

Pac: 49-3-2
MAB*2
Morales*2
ODLH
JMM
Hatton
Ledwaba
Larios
Sasakul

Pac gets ripped for loosing some fights not entered his prime yet, Duran lost a lot of fights in his prime and past his prime.

Is his odds defying win over Barkley greater than Pac's over Hatton's? Both moved up a lot of weight to beat the so called bigger man. Are his wins over Jesus, Moore & Buchanan just that much better than MAB, JMM & Morales?

Pac lost to Morales, Duran also lost to Jesus first time...lost clearly to Duran, was KTFO by Hearns and although slightly past it, still lost to guys like Laing & Benitez. Granted their very good fighters and Im not even holding the Hagler fight against him.

One thing that stands out about Duran mostly is his win over SRL...he lost to him too. I guess if Pac beats Floyd, he would have a win of simmilar standing.

 

Why is Cotto less of a win than Mosely when you consider Cotto beat SSM fair & square & Cotto is in his prime yrs & Mosely is several yrs past his own prime ?
:huh
They should at least be even.

 

Hopkins is a good fighter but you overrate him a little, he has been surpassed by Pac & Mayweather IMO... Im not even sure Hopkins should be above Morales or Barrera who were 2 excellent fighters in their prime aswell as 3 weight champions & all in much tougher divisions than Hopkins.

 

1] Sugar Ray Robinson
2] Henry Armstrong
3] Langford
4] Greb
5] Duran
6] B.Leonard
7] Wilde
8] Ali
9] Louis
10] Pep
11] Charles
12] Fitzsimmons
13] Gans
14] R.Leonard
15] Hagler
16] Walker
17] Moore
18] Jofre
19] Tunney
20] Jack Johnson
21] Monzon
22] Whitaker
23] B.Ross
24] Saddler
25] Canzoneri
26] Salvador Sanchez
27] Babadoes Joe Walcott
28] Ketchel
29] I.Williams
30] Burley
31] Marciano
32] Jack Dempsey
33] Roy Jones Jnr
34] Holmes
35] Dixon
36] Cesar Charvez
37] E.Griffith
38] Arguello
39] L.Lewis
40] Kid Gavilan
41] Hearns
42] Napoles
43] Packey McFarland
44] Freddie Welsh
45] Driscoll
46] C.Ortiz
47] Holyfield
48] Mayweather Jnr
49] Harada
50] Britton


No Michael Spinks, Olivares or Hopkins on this list so Pacman still has some way to go.

If Pacman can continue winning he will crack the top 50, if he beats good quality opposition during that time he could crack top 30 even top 20 at a push, but at the moment he is outside the top 50 ATG's.
Floyd Mayweather has a better chance of cracking the top 20 or 30 than Pacman.

 

Not even close ... you base it on in the ring accomplishments ... he's not even top 50 ... because if you take a deep look into his resume ... none of the fighter in which he beat were at the top of their game when they fought him ... he's never faced a slick boxer ... he's racking up championships from fighters who didn't even deserve to be champions at the time.

His most credible wins are against Marquez and Morales ... Barrera was done at the time ... DLH was done ... Hatton had been destroyed by Mayweather ... David Diaz was just holding the belt for him ... before Pac and After Pac David Diaz hasn't done anything worth talking about.

all those other small fighters didn't have much clout they were just belt holders ...

he's a great fighter, but to put him as high as top 20 is ridiculous ... I can name more than 20 fighters who have either fought and or accomplished more than him in the ring.

he's not even top 20 over the last 20 yrs. if you include HW's he's not even top 100

Not in any particular order
Lennox Lewis
DLH
Tito Trinidad
Roy Jones
Bernard Hopkins
Floyd Mayweather
Julio Cesar Chavez
Joe Calzaghe
Pernell Whitaker
Wladimir Klitschko
Mike Tyson
Michael Spinks
Sugar Ray Leonard
Roberto Duran
Willie Pep
Ray Robinson
Joe Louis
Larry Holmes
Thomas Hearns
Marvin Hagler
James Toney
Evander Holyfield
Henry Armstong
Wilfred Benitez
Roberto Duran
Carlos Monzon
Rocky Marciano
Vinnie Pazienza
Aaron Pryor
Alexis Arguello

the list goes on and on and on

 

he needs to beat floyd mayweather

 

Yet another classic from the worst list-maker on ESB! :happy

Jimmy Wilde at number 7 -

Ezzard Charles not in a p4p top 10 - atsch