Is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one? Why did he APPEASE to MAYWEATHER demands??

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  1. Horus

    Horus Member Full Member

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    If Pacquiao really believe that the commission test was good enough for his past bouts orginally why did he cave, appease, and pacify to MAYWEATHER demands of extra drug testing?


    Pacquiao went from
    • no test,
    • to 3 test only,
    • to 30 days,
    • to 24 days,
    • and now to 14 days?
    • Will he go to 7 days next? If so Why?
    Did Pacquiao come to the realization that he was wrong on this issue?
    What in the Negotiations made Manny Pacquiao "Fighter of the Decade" compromised his values???

    Is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one ? If so how? and to who?
    So this brings me to a topic I want to discuss,
    How do you Negotiate fairness?
    If two individuals from two different places of the world came together to decide on a contract,
    What
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    should they used? Because deciding on principles for negotiation is really determining whose values and belief system gets checked!


    If they try to meet in the middle, where is the middle? Is middle left or middle right?? If you notice the patterned the true test of these deciding factors comes when one of those two individuals decides to
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    . Then the question is how far is that person willing to cave, appease, satisfy, and pacify, and what made that person give up on his values and principles in the first place?

    Now we have an interesting situation, because not only as one person compromise their position, but they have just ceded control to the other individual. They let their opposition frame the conversation, and therefore frame the reality, more important the perception of reality.

    The one who controls perception controls reality.

    So say now the individual with the control decides to tell the other individual that the only fair way for us to determine and finalized the contract is for both of them to undergo a test to solidify that both of them believe in integrity, fairness, and justice to each other and the contract. and the other individual doesnt agree.
    Now a problem naturally arises from the other individual side, what kind of test? and why is this test the deciding factor of integrity, fairness, and justice to each other and the contract.
    BUT HERE IS THE PROBLEM, the time to ask those questions are over, because that individual agreed to the other individual principles by caving, appeasing, satisfying, and pacifying to the other individuals framework of the conversation,
    So I ask the question how do you Negotiate fairness? Simple. YOU DON’T !!
    Because once you do, what you think is fair based on your values, and principles will soon be determine be someone else as soon as you Negotiate it.
    So once again is Manny Pacquiao compromise a Fair one? to "himself"

    THE POINT
     
  2. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    because he's the people's champ.

    he does what the people want to see.

    PS. He's gonna be an awesome politician
     
  3. Horus

    Horus Member Full Member

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    but that does not answer the question,
    Why did they waste everybody time in December?

    The point is this thread is to examine the decisions pacquiao has made over the last 8 months and why and at what cost?

    Imagine if he would have accepted this offer in december, no one would have ever question him ABOUT STEROIDS and PEDS because his acceptance of this offer would have void the calls of him being scared of a drug test. and thus cheating
    But he deny the offer, let the smoke turn into a fire, and now wants to compromised his orginal values which him and his fans argued for all in the name of what? a fight he could of had in March???

    What made him change his mind now? and why didnt he think like this in december?

    that is the question. What made him change his mind?
    If Pacquiao really believe that the commission test was good enough for his past bouts orginally why did he cave, appease, and pacify to MAYWEATHER demands of extra drug testing?
    Pacquiao went from no test, to 30 days, to 24 days, and now to 14 days?
    Will he go to 7 days next? If so Why?
    Did Pacquiao come to the realization that he was wrong on this issue?
    What in the Negotiations made Manny Pacquiao "Fighter of the Decade" compromised his values???
     
  4. Toontoon

    Toontoon Boxing Junkie banned

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    The people wanted to see it in March too tbf.
     
  5. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Pac let his team **** things up.

    Flip flopping constantly.

    I think they didn't want to feel bullied after they agreed to testing up until the fight, then Pac said no.

    Too many flip flop choices. In reality 14 days was fine from the beginning, it's only made them look worse.
     
  6. Trickster

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    You've used a hell of a lot of words there to say almost nothing at all. This topic has been well and truely ****ed in every possible orifice and there is really nothing left to say that hasn't already been said...over and over again. I just want to see the fight and I don't care who gives in to the other's demands or who makes the most money.
     
  7. DobyZhee

    DobyZhee Loyal Member

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    pac wanted to fight march 13th in Texas. Floyd did not. Floyd blatantly ducked Manny Pac.
    FACT.
     
  8. ringsider

    ringsider Active Member Full Member

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    Because he can't make up his mind and think for himself in anything that takes any brains. He does not understand the testing, he is afraid of what he does not understand. He is illiterate. He is an uneducated superstitious dolt.:roll:

    Because of this he will be and already is a **** poor politician.:good
     
  9. Samski313

    Samski313 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The catch is he has not agreed to nothing yet. That's the thing people don't get. Pacquiao knows that 14 days is not on the table no more. It's all a farce by Pacquiao and Arum
     
  10. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Its not over until Pac enters the ring with both hands tied behind his back!!!
     
  11. Samski313

    Samski313 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :patsch
    Cocaine is a helluva drug............................
     
  12. NotAnMMAfan

    NotAnMMAfan Guest

    You should give humanity a favor and just hang yourself up :good
     
  13. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There are places where you can get help you know.
     
  14. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    There are 3 good reasons IMO for Pacquiao now saying he'll agree to 14 days;

    1. He needed to clean his system

    2. He wasn't ready to fight Mayweather in March

    3. He fears The NSAC will insitute blood testing when they vote on the issue in the next week or so.
     
  15. dodong

    dodong >>PACQUIAO Full Member

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    Dude.... you have to stop saying this.

    There are no articles written in early December, when the fight seems like a go, to back up your claim. All you have is Dan Rafael talking about it in January when facts are already muddled.

    ... and you have seen for yourself that Rafael can be wrong.