Is Manny Pacquiao the greatest southpaw of all time?

7 to 5 pac. lets get over it already:roll:

 

Agreed, it's not a 1-to-1 relationship.

But as a matter of interest, give me your top 10 speed and power combo guys since 1990.

 

Well he cheated in one way, but that doesn't mean he cheated in another. Do you think Holyfield loaded his gloves? :think I have no reason to think that and I have no reason to think Marg is a PED cheat, he doesn't exhibit any of the signs.

 

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I think it would be pointless to have that list without including stamina.

Those are the big 3 attributes in boxing and they all matter.

 

Seriously, watch the margarito vs clottey round 12, and watch the soto karass vs berto round 12 and watch the pacquiao vs margarito round 12. You will see the difference.

You dont need to watch full rounds, just with 20 seconds each, you will be able to see the difference.

And karass stops berto, but you will see the difference anyway.

 

Well make 2 lists then. 1 for Speed-Power and one for Speed-Power-Stamina.

 

You seem to be on the wrong thread again, my friend. I believe you were looking for this one :deal

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=538953&highlight=glass+chin

 

That's too ardurous and I haven't seen everybody.

Only fighter ever who had more Speed-Power-Stamina than Manny is Robinson.

 

No because he got ktfo and Hagler never did.

 

It's only fun if it's arduous :deal

 

Yes, but you lied to me, margo had no snap in 99% of his punches in round 12. They were mostly pot jabs, not nearly close to what pacman did to him, not even remotely close.

For me, nobody is in peds until proved. I give full credit to pacman, i've said it, ATG, i dont deny it as long as it isnt proved.

The only thing that I have said is that, as long as his boxing relies so much in his physical conditions, if someone proves that he used peds I will not consider him ATG anymore. That's all. In the meantime, he is ATG, no doubt.

 

Well Margarito AVERAGED 1,200 punches over a 5 fight stretch. Look at Ibeabuchi in the final rounds against Tua Or Vitali against KJ still wailing away. It's possible without PEDs. Doesn't matter to me though. Manny took PEDs, Floyd took PEDs. They're both still ATGs.

 

Yes, i told you, it is possible. What's not possible is having power, snap and feet after that in round 12. And NO, margo had no snap in round 12. You dont believe me? look at round 12 in pacman vs margo and pacman vs clottey (1250 or so, absolutely insane) it looked like the 4th round for pacman. That's a joke, and if you dont see it... ok, we disagree, no problem.

And no, it's not the same to use peds for highly pysical boxer and to use peds for a highly mental/technical boxer. No. Roy jones jr or sweet pea, for instance, are great with or without peds, pacman wouldnt be.

 

RJJ needed his speed to be great. Attributes matter. I'd he wasn't that fast he wouldn't have been FOTD.