No I am not in agreement with you that Sonny Liston himself is the #1 H2H, perhaps Somebody with all Sonny’s attributes but quicker and more battle hardened than Liston...perhaps a more consistent Tokyo Douglas type champion but one who was good over 15 rounds.
You mean the #1 if we close our eyes and pretend that Louis and Lewis and Clay and Holmes don't exist? Perhaps..
Best at what? Avoiding his no.1 challenger? Look what Tunney did to him.....now imagine what Ali, Liston, Holmes etc would take from his mystique. I sense another thread, asking the same question as this one but with Dempsey.
A big time Rocky fan could be forgiven making a case for top 5. That's probably not wildly unreasonable. There are realistically a few HW obstacles that he just can't reasonably bypass, though.
This is all you do, attack other posters who's views don't match yours. People like you are the problem with this forum, when you joined it definitely coincided with this forum going downhill. We went from having respectable and knowledgeable boxing historians and former boxers to creatures like yourself who only take pleasure from taunting and mocking others. The great thing about a forum like this is seeing all the different individual opinions, not everyone needs to be scolded just because their views may be different.
This poster has the following views: "liston was too slow" "ali hit like a girl" "holmes defense suspect not much power" "holyfield has no great ability" (My favorite) A prime Liston would've lost to a middle aged Marciano sporting a gut (I know you will easily agree with this one) When asked if Patterson hit harder than Marciano his response was "No he didn't but hit harder than tyson" putting Tyson below both Patterson and Marciano (inferring Marciano was the hardest puncher of the 3, another laughable opinion only shared by yourself) In a Jeffries vs Fury thread: "Jeffries by ko......fury has no endurance" In a Louis vs Fury thread: "Louis rather easily but fury will go down swinging" "I dont know if sharkey could beat tyson but galento probably would have" Very fitting a poster of your caliber would defend someone with these views. You both share the bottom of the barrel.
Dear go, no. A great, great fighter, and it is a shame how some disrespect him for suspicious reasons, but there are guys I just can't see him beating. I have him three or four in terms of accomplishment.
I have him at the # 5 spot all-time, behind Ali, Louis, Lewis and Foreman. But that's on overall greatness and achievement, not the mythical 'head-to-head' On a h2h basis, I would have those four as well, plus Bowe, Wlad, Vitali, Fury and possibly, Liston, Holmes, Frazier, AJ...maybe Holyfield, Wilder, Povetkin, Dempsey, Johnson, Norton, Tyson, maybe even RJJ. He would be lucky to scrape the bottom end of a top ten h2h.