Is Marciano...

You want some of this Rein? I’ll bash a Marciano > Norton thread upside your head good sir.

 

Listen Newbie.
Marciano was the first white heavyweight champion for19 years!

You don't think that had any bearing on his standing among white fans? Marciano is the last white American heavyweight champion.
That was 70 years ago,you don't think that has any impact on how he is perceived today? GROW UP!
BTW I'm white so your," playing the race card "ploy doesn't work,it's just another example of someone adding 2+2 together and making it 5!

 

I boxed ,I know how it works Rockista!

 

So you agree

 

“GROW UP” - the guy who calls people “Rockista” if they like or defend Marciano? What does that even mean? Is it a pun I’m not getting Mac? Lol,

 

No I don't you found yourself on the losing end of an argument about different fighters respective amateur experience,and fastened onto Tyson like a limpet because you had no answer to my alternatives.
Liston
Berbick
Holmes
Wardley
Itauma
Norton
Which I found with just a cursory look on Box Rec,[there are plenty more.]

 

I gave other examples ,nowhere did I mention Frazier or Ellis .
No the question isn't whether Marciano was a finished fighter when he fought Louis I never stated,or implied that.
You are constructing and rebutting straw man arguments,I never made. My only argument was to take issue with the oft repeated excuse that Marciano was cossetted by fighting sausages early in his career because of his lack of amateur experience.

When I named several others with comparable amateur experience who were fighting good opposition way before Rocky was , Journeyman had no credible answer to my examples.
I am an admirer of your posts,unfortunately,on this occasion we find ourselves at opposite ends of the playing field.

 

You started the name calling,I merely responded ,and I'm happy to continue adapting to whichever MO you choose.

 

McVey is saying Marciano fought 26 men under 190lbs, which means he's saying the remaining c.20 opponents were over 190lbs.

He is saying that of the 26 opponents that were under 190lbs, 17 were under 185lbs and 5 under were under 175lbs.

 

Marciano's 39th fight against Savold.
"The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.
Rocky Marciano vs. Lee Savold (13.2.1952) - Best Quality & Colorized!

 

that’s not what he said lol

check the math he put out

 

Rocky sure wouldn’t have been 185 with today’s innovations and training. Probably could pack on 15-20 and be a CW.

 

You said LaStarza wasn’t ranked highly, but he was ranked 4th only ONE YEAR after losing to Marciano…per RING’s annual ranking for 1951.

 

He probably could, yeah. But don't know if he would, since the money is better at LHW, I think. A CW Marciano against Usyk or Opetaia would be good fights, though. But to see him at LHW against Beterbiev would be something also, to put it mildly.

 

My Grandfather always said the criticisms of Marciano heard today are the same heard during Rocky's career. He's too slow, to short, not enough reach, too light, crude, awkward, easy to hit, cuts easily, has no real competition, and the list goes on. The problem with all that was, and is, he just kept beating whoever was put in the ring with him. Rocky must have had something going for him besides a weak era. Ya think maybe part of that weak looking era was because they were fighting Marciano? Does that possibility enter modern boxing peoples' minds at all? I think Rocky Marciano was one tough fighter, whatever his competition, and I would not offhand rule him out as a possible winner against anybody who ever lived (or is living) except for less than about 10 Heavyweights, and, even with them, some prime Rocky upset wins would not be shocking to me in several tries.