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Marciano's 39th fight against Savold.
"The will was there but not the body," said Daly. "I'm going to advise Lee to retire from the ring tomorrow."

John (Ox) DaGrosa, Pennsylvania state athletic commissioner, said he was going to suspend Savold indefinitely and ask him to retire.
Rocky Marciano vs. Lee Savold (13.2.1952) - Best Quality & Colorized!

 

that’s not what he said lol

check the math he put out

 

Rocky sure wouldn’t have been 185 with today’s innovations and training. Probably could pack on 15-20 and be a CW.

 

You said LaStarza wasn’t ranked highly, but he was ranked 4th only ONE YEAR after losing to Marciano…per RING’s annual ranking for 1951.

 

He probably could, yeah. But don't know if he would, since the money is better at LHW, I think. A CW Marciano against Usyk or Opetaia would be good fights, though. But to see him at LHW against Beterbiev would be something also, to put it mildly.

 

My Grandfather always said the criticisms of Marciano heard today are the same heard during Rocky's career. He's too slow, to short, not enough reach, too light, crude, awkward, easy to hit, cuts easily, has no real competition, and the list goes on. The problem with all that was, and is, he just kept beating whoever was put in the ring with him. Rocky must have had something going for him besides a weak era. Ya think maybe part of that weak looking era was because they were fighting Marciano? Does that possibility enter modern boxing peoples' minds at all? I think Rocky Marciano was one tough fighter, whatever his competition, and I would not offhand rule him out as a possible winner against anybody who ever lived (or is living) except for less than about 10 Heavyweights, and, even with them, some prime Rocky upset wins would not be shocking to me in several tries.

 

Like I said, haters.

He beat everyone in his era. Who was gonna beat him, Patterson? LOL. Please, with that chin, Rocky could be done 14-0 and stop him in the 15th.

 

A tangent, but I was thinking today about the Foreman stamina thing. During his first career I'd say the Young fight is where he demonstrated poor stamina. And in that one he was poorly prepared according to his trainer and weighed in at one of his highest weights.

That he gassed in the heat and humidity in Zaire was more down to those things and almost zero pacing, I think.

 

I've seen someone say he improved. Might have been Louis. Are there other such testimonies?

 

Puerto Rico. Very strange fight for Foreman.

As the fight vs Young begins and unpacks you’re thinking “When is George going to throw anything, even just a jab for crying out loud?”

Foreman seemed stuck in the middle of boxing identity crisis. He did far more posturing than throwing.

Later, in the fight, when he did bother to jab it was a very effective punch but he was all too sparing with it.

When he did swing more freely, we he know he caught the not so easy to tag Young with a big head shot, hurting him badly.

Young himself said if that punch caught him on the chin, it would’ve been night, nights.

As it slowly unpacked, Cosell called it a tactical battle. Lol. Why was Foreman engaging in a tactical battle, and against Jimmy Young, of all people?

Ken Norton, no slouch as a boxer himself, knew to focus in on Young’s less elusive body for best outcomes.

Another thing of note that wasn’t Foreman’s usual practice was him talking to Young during the fight - I could speculate that he was trying to emulate Ali and Ali’s own chatter to George during the fight in Zaire.

For all Ali’s talk during that fight I don’t recall seeing Foreman talk back once. Ali’s psychological warfare for Zaire seemed to linger hard with Foreman well after the dust of their actual fight had settled.

Even some of the goofing Foreman did against the Toronto Five came across as a poor man’s imitation of Ali’s own well known clowning.

Poor George, after his first loss in Zaire, he seemed to be going through his own Derek Zoolander’s “Who Am I?” phase. Lol.

Most def. (imo) there were a few things amiss with Foreman going into and during that fight and I believe that view is vindicated by the follow through after the fight - George’s vision/hallucination in the dressing room and abrupt retirement from boxing altogether.

 

So you’re of the opinion that the time you learnt how to box is irrelevant? that it’s purely about the fight count, you said age doesn’t matter earlier in this discussion and it absolutely does.
If Bob has been learning to box for a decade Mac and the other Jim for a week and they both debut as pros one isn’t like the other, you keep running into the arms of “Similar fight count” when it’s how long someone has been boxing TOTAL that matters on where someone should be and how they’re brought along, Marciano started boxing at 22 turned pro at 23 and fought Louis aged 28 he had a grand total of about 6 years of boxing other guys in there 6th year total (from the time they started boxing) like Tyson, Holmes and Frazier - Tyson 6 years into boxing (age 19) was fighting Green, Tillis etc. Frazier was debuting and getting started after only roughly 6 years of boxing. Larry Holmes best win 6 years of education was Roy Williams - everybody moved at different paces because of age / length of timing Tyson came into the pros a compete fighter for example, Marciano was learning to box in the pro ranks… Joe Frazier for example just got the ball rolling 6 years into learning to box. Rocky Marciano was only early into his education when he fought a shot Louis, he still won, easily but he got better and it’s not a big deal he was technically moving along faster then Frazier.

 

By calling you the statman? I’ll clear this up now it wasn’t mean to be meant spirited if you took it that way, I thought that might be obvious.

 

It was exactly what he said, you've misinterpreted it.

The mistake you've made is you've misinterpreted what McVey said as "Marciano fought 26 men between 190lbs and 185lbs, plus another 17 men under 185lbs"

Whereas McVey actually wrote "Marciano fought 26 men under 190lbs, 17 under 185lbs". The 17 men under 185lbs are part of the 26 men that weighed under 190lbs.

 

He wasn't ranked when he first fought Marciano.
Still having problems reading?

 

He misinterpreted and called me a liar,poor illiterate ,he doesn't have the class to admit he misread my post.
I imagine he knows my opinion of him .