Is Marciano...

Like I said, haters.

He beat everyone in his era. Who was gonna beat him, Patterson? LOL. Please, with that chin, Rocky could be done 14-0 and stop him in the 15th.

 

A tangent, but I was thinking today about the Foreman stamina thing. During his first career I'd say the Young fight is where he demonstrated poor stamina. And in that one he was poorly prepared according to his trainer and weighed in at one of his highest weights.

That he gassed in the heat and humidity in Zaire was more down to those things and almost zero pacing, I think.

 

I've seen someone say he improved. Might have been Louis. Are there other such testimonies?

 

Puerto Rico. Very strange fight for Foreman.

As the fight vs Young begins and unpacks you’re thinking “When is George going to throw anything, even just a jab for crying out loud?”

Foreman seemed stuck in the middle of boxing identity crisis. He did far more posturing than throwing.

Later, in the fight, when he did bother to jab it was a very effective punch but he was all too sparing with it.

When he did swing more freely, we he know he caught the not so easy to tag Young with a big head shot, hurting him badly.

Young himself said if that punch caught him on the chin, it would’ve been night, nights.

As it slowly unpacked, Cosell called it a tactical battle. Lol. Why was Foreman engaging in a tactical battle, and against Jimmy Young, of all people?

Ken Norton, no slouch as a boxer himself, knew to focus in on Young’s less elusive body for best outcomes.

Another thing of note that wasn’t Foreman’s usual practice was him talking to Young during the fight - I could speculate that he was trying to emulate Ali and Ali’s own chatter to George during the fight in Zaire.

For all Ali’s talk during that fight I don’t recall seeing Foreman talk back once. Ali’s psychological warfare for Zaire seemed to linger hard with Foreman well after the dust of their actual fight had settled.

Even some of the goofing Foreman did against the Toronto Five came across as a poor man’s imitation of Ali’s own well known clowning.

Poor George, after his first loss in Zaire, he seemed to be going through his own Derek Zoolander’s “Who Am I?” phase. Lol.

Most def. (imo) there were a few things amiss with Foreman going into and during that fight and I believe that view is vindicated by the follow through after the fight - George’s vision/hallucination in the dressing room and abrupt retirement from boxing altogether.

 

So you’re of the opinion that the time you learnt how to box is irrelevant? that it’s purely about the fight count, you said age doesn’t matter earlier in this discussion and it absolutely does.
If Bob has been learning to box for a decade Mac and the other Jim for a week and they both debut as pros one isn’t like the other, you keep running into the arms of “Similar fight count” when it’s how long someone has been boxing TOTAL that matters on where someone should be and how they’re brought along, Marciano started boxing at 22 turned pro at 23 and fought Louis aged 28 he had a grand total of about 6 years of boxing other guys in there 6th year total (from the time they started boxing) like Tyson, Holmes and Frazier - Tyson 6 years into boxing (age 19) was fighting Green, Tillis etc. Frazier was debuting and getting started after only roughly 6 years of boxing. Larry Holmes best win 6 years of education was Roy Williams - everybody moved at different paces because of age / length of timing Tyson came into the pros a compete fighter for example, Marciano was learning to box in the pro ranks… Joe Frazier for example just got the ball rolling 6 years into learning to box. Rocky Marciano was only early into his education when he fought a shot Louis, he still won, easily but he got better and it’s not a big deal he was technically moving along faster then Frazier.

 

By calling you the statman? I’ll clear this up now it wasn’t mean to be meant spirited if you took it that way, I thought that might be obvious.

 

It was exactly what he said, you've misinterpreted it.

The mistake you've made is you've misinterpreted what McVey said as "Marciano fought 26 men between 190lbs and 185lbs, plus another 17 men under 185lbs"

Whereas McVey actually wrote "Marciano fought 26 men under 190lbs, 17 under 185lbs". The 17 men under 185lbs are part of the 26 men that weighed under 190lbs.

 

He wasn't ranked when he first fought Marciano.
Still having problems reading?

 

He misinterpreted and called me a liar,poor illiterate ,he doesn't have the class to admit he misread my post.
I imagine he knows my opinion of him .

 

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1949

Maybe you have problems reading as well

LaStarza was ranked 10 in the 1949, annual rankings. He fought Marciano in early 1950.

Clown.

 

Stats are data.Should I have called you Fiction Man?
As to what occurs from now on ,well we will see what transpires.

 

I agree, I don't think Foreman's problem was a lack of stamina,rather I'd say ,it was a lack of pacing himself.
In middle age carrying significantly more weight , he went the distance several times ,without using his stool.

 

Of course he was ranked, why on earth do u say that? The Ring Mag annual ratings selected him as their #10 HW in February 1950.. a month before he fought Marciano. Rocky knocked him out of those rankings for the following years selection via his victory over him. For their second fight in 1953 he was their # 4 rated HW. Why does Marciano make u so mad bro?

Marciano was a great fighter.. Beat Walcott twice, Charles twice, Lastarza twice, Louis & Moore.. not only those he beat Don Cockell who beat both Lloyd Marshall twice & Harry Matthew's twice & Rex Layne who has wins over both Charles & Walcott. Rocky also ended Harry Matthews 50 fight win streak.

Rocky was a great fighter. Stop spreading misinformation about him.

 

Dude told me I couldn’t read, but I literally dredged up the same thing you’re looking at and it said he was ranked at the end of 1949 in their annual ratings.

 

I looked deeper into the ratings and I found that Marciano beat several more fighters who were rated in the top 10 within one to three years prior to fighting him (Savold, Muscato Reynolds and Beshore). Also, I was wondering why he never fought guys like Bob Baker or Tommy Jackson or Nino Valdes, but then I remembered that back in the day the number one contender earned their shot from wiping out the other top contenders, so all 3 of those guys lost to Archie Moore. So, with Marciano beating Archie Moore, he essentially took out four birds with one stone.

It is pretty amazing watching people **** on Marciano when he literally was the best of a particular bunch, probably not the best fighters to ever grace the planet, but it was just a different era, everything was done differently, these guys fought six or seven times a year with 6 ounce gloves. It’s hard to compare the 50s with the 60s and 70s because the sport started changing a lot imo after the 50s.