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These Marciano haters always have an excuse, Archie Moore was too old, he was a previous middleweight and light heavyweight, he was old/passed his prime and the guys he beat were overrated, etc.

Never mind that he went into the Marciano fight on a 22 fight winning streak littered with top heavyweight contenders he cleared out, then he won 36 of his next 39 fights after the Marciano loss, which puts him at 58-2-1 in that window. His only two losses were to Marciano and Patterson.

Casuals, man.

 

Boring in it.. Marcianos an ATG. I don't think he's the greatest but top 10? Certainly. Enjoyed your posts mate keep up the good work.

 

Likewise!

His haters refuse to acknowledge the truth. The truth is he beat everyone put in front of him and the majority of those people he fought towards the end of his career were all highly rated contenders and former champions. There’s no getting around it. Sure, Archie Moore was old, he was previously a middleweight and a light heavyweight, but he was out there beating guys who fought at heavyweight most of their career, if not all of it, so you can’t have it both ways. Either Archie was old and shot or the guys he beat sucked. You can’t say both.

The Valdes not fighting Marciano argument is hysterical, considering all Valdes had to do was beat Archie Moore once in the two fights he had against him and he lost both times.

 

You do what every Rocky fan boy does.
Ignore the previous records of these men.
When you are presented with facts you always resort to calling the poster who has supplied them a hater;
It's akin to Trump being corrected multiple times,and his only answer being"fake news".
If it makes you happy to swallow all the B S that's fine.
You just jog on!

 

So are you going to admit you were wrong about LaStarza being ranked when he fought Rocky the first time? I’m still waiting on an apology for that. Oh, are you gonna also apologize for claiming Reynolds was never ranked when I proved he was?

 

You see, this is where you’re wrong. I know all the records of the men Marcano beat and what their records were going into those fights. They all had something in common, they beat people in the top 10 whether you like it or not. Kinda like when people claim Archie Moore was old and passed his prime, yet he beat Nino Valdes twice, Bob Baker, Joey Maxim several times and Harold Johnson. Pretty amazing that an old man beat all of those younger fighters.

 

You also like the cherry pick numbers. You go on about how Ezzard Charles went two and two in his previous four fights before fighting Marciano, but you leave out the nine fight win streak prior to those two losses, which were both competitive decisions against top contenders in Valdes and Johnson. So if you want to get technical about it, Charles had won 11 of his past 13 fights with a slew of those wins being over contenders. All of those fights occurred between 1952 and 1954 so it wasn’t like it was a very long window of activity.

 

Maxim and Johnson were Light heavies.

 

You think Marciano beating men who were once briefly ranked no 10 or 9 and were now on the way down is special.
Muscato was ranked no 10 in 47,but he fought Marciano in49!
Muscato was then 56-20-0.Thats the record of a journeyman.
He had lost his last 4 fights and would retire after the Marciano fight,I see nothing special about that win.
Beshore no 10 in1948. 30-13-1.Fought Marciano in1951
He had won just 2 of his last 9 fights and they were 2 sausages whose records were,
13-14-1 and19-6-2

Reynolds, congratulations you've found he was briefly ranked no 9 in49.The trouble is he fought Marciano in1952,he had lost 3 of his last 4,would fight another 4 times losing 3 of them and retire,again nothing special in that win.
Savold was washed,up he looks pitifully brave in that fight,a mobile punching bag who can offer nothing way of offence,he was shot to bits .The commission withdrew his licence for his own protection after the fight.

I concede I was wrong.You get no apology from me until you learn some manners,calling people you don't know liars from the safety of your pc
screen entitles you to zero respect.

 

So what? The point I was making was he was still beating top contenders in both divisions.

 

I never said Marciano beating those guys was an amazing feat, but the point was he had beat guys who were contenders within a few years of beating them, he did to them what you’re supposed to do and then he continued to beat fighters that were currently in the top 5.

 

He had beaten ONE ranked heavyweight in the previous 3 years!
If Daniel Dubois beat Beterbiev or Bivol ,would that be a noteworthy feat?

 

Mathews was a light heavyweight he was 4 lbs over that limit when he fought Marciano.Mathews was overhyped as a heavyweight that was my point Jack Hurley his manager was offered a LHy title fight with Maxim but turned it down to go after more money v Marciano.

 

Moore had beaten ONE ranked heavyweight contender in the previous 3 years ,Valdes.After Marciano he beat ONE more Lavorante who was very briefly ranked.
Cockell beat how many ranked heavyweights?
Williams no 10 who didn't deserve a ranking.I don't think Lastarza was still ranked when Don beat him.Farr was 40 years old and bankrupt when Cockell beat him,he was fighting to clear a big tax bill.
Casuals?
I boxed for nearly 20 years bought my first fight films in the early 60's ,regularly went to fights,and have a decent fight film collection and a boxing library of about150 books. I first saw Marciano on film when I bought a Super 8mm film collection of his fights in1964.
I interviewed Cockell about his career when he was working as a sales rep.

Were you even born then?