Is Mayweather a victim of his era?

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  1. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When you look back at the legends of the sport, they all became legends because of whom they fought and how they did it. Ali had his dramatic three matches with Frazier, and the epic one with Foreman, Leonard had his Duran, Hearns and Hagler, etc. The key is that they also went into matches that they weren’t expected to win, and won anyway. They also lost and came back stronger and better, showing immense heart and dedication.

    But whom has Mayweather had? An old, very faded De La Hoya who had lost numerous times? A natural light welter Hatton, who didn’t grasp the concept of ‘intelligent’ pressure? A mentally weak (and already destroyed by Zoo and Baldo) Zab Judah? The list goes on. While he’s definitely had GOOD wins, he’s never really fought a real monster, a really brilliant fighter where Mayweather wasn’t the favourite going in for once. He’s never had to dig down and get back up from painful and embarrassing knockdowns, never had to take an official loss and rework his game to come back stronger, never had to lose round after round and still manage to find a way to knock the other guy out.

    Is he just too good for his era? Would his opponents have become legends if he wasn’t alive right now? Or are they simply not good enough to really test him and provide him with the kind of glowing unforgettable moments that we see when Leonard turns the tide against Hearns, or when Ali knocks out Foreman?

    [FONT=&quot]If he had been born into another (stronger) era, would he be perceived as far greater or far worse? [/FONT]
     
  2. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighters never get their due respect while they are fighting. History will be much kinder to mayweather than today's fans.
     
  3. joekirkbycobra

    joekirkbycobra King Of The Ring Full Member

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    you can say that when he beats cotto (because i think he would) but if he stayed at super feather he'd have competition
     
  4. sdsfinest22

    sdsfinest22 Pound 4 Pound Full Member

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    ID SAY NO AS LONG AS HE BEATS OSCAR AGAIN AND BEATS AN UNDEFEATED COTTO--COTTO NEEDS TO DO HIS PART HOWEVER AND WIN HIS FIGHTS AND FLOYD NEEDS TO FIGHT COTTO IN 2009 NO IFS ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT
     
  5. thewoo

    thewoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    YOu notice how in th opening post every Myweather opponent's name was perceded with a downplay? The same exact thing will happen if and when Floyd beats Cotto (not that I think it's a sure thing). They will refer to Cotto being shook by Corley and Torres or downplay Cotto's big wins somehow and say that Floyd just beat another overhyped bum.
     
  6. Symphenyceo

    Symphenyceo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes he is...there are no great fighters at or around his weight
     
  7. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hey, I'm a Mayweather fan. He boxes beautifully at times.

    I just don't rate an old DLH, fairly limited Ricky Hatton or collapse-when-going-get's-tough Zab Judah very highly. I can't call them truly great fighters/legends. DLH comes the closest, but he was far past his prime when Mayweather fought him, and it was easy to see that.
     
  8. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    As it will with many other fighters fighting today.

    :good
     
  9. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    no.

    If he wants to, he can. the challenges are and have been there.
     
  10. Jase2483

    Jase2483 Everyday I'm Hustlin' Full Member

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    Is it cherry picking when he doesn't take fights with up and comer's who aren't anywhere near his level of ready for him?

    Williams - no where near ready, severely tested and defeated by carlos

    Cotto - needs work, lateral movement isn't there to stay with mayweather and will get ranged on(2 tune ups needed.,....09 ideal for him) - he had problems with mosley....think pbf would have trouble with mosley? cause i don't

    The rest of the division, even though deep, isn't on mayweathers playing field. He's a victim of the time, history will remember him much kinder - and fans keep proposing fights with people who aren't ready for what he'll bring to the table
     
  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    I dont think so... because as much as people want to play it off, beating hatton was big in the long term factor...

    now if he goes on to beat cotto, and mosley, he will be sitting just fine, and i dont see how anyone can say otherwise.

    Having Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, and Hoya on your victims list... nobody could deny you.
     
  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    dude, there is ALWAYS going to be flaws in every fighter that you can say they should wait... this is boxing, cotto is as ready as he will ever be.
     
  13. C Money

    C Money Paul McCloskey Full Member

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    PBF's a victim of HINSELF:yep

    Unless he ffinishes strong? history wont be as kind as some think:nono

    he never has faced all the top guy's in any divsion, always left questions, and has never made that CAREER DEFINING STATEMENT!!


    Stop telling us about guy's you wont fight, then let the resume fall where it lands:good
     
  14. Jase2483

    Jase2483 Everyday I'm Hustlin' Full Member

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    and when he gets severely out-pointed in 08/09/10 (WHENEVER)
    will people finally admit being as ready as he ever was going to be isn't anywhere near close enough?
     
  15. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Except for the fact that wins over old, highly faded versions of Mosley and Hoya don't really mean a great deal. Age can completely and utterly change a fighter to the point where it's like they're a different person completely. Hatton is definitely a very good win, but he wasn't a monster -- if anything, he went into that fight as the underdog, and Mayweather went in as the favourite. The biggest surprise of the night for most people was that Mayweather knocked him out instead of outpointing him, not that Mayweather won.

    Cotto would be a good win.