Is Mayweather an ATG?

I believe the following article written by Jack Dempsey appeared in a 1963 issue of Ebony magazine. This is an excerpt of it that is included as a chapter in a 1963 book edited by two men from that magazine. The book is titled ‘White on Black’ and the title of the chapter is ‘Why Negroes Rule Boxing’:

 

i think we can all agree that floyd's resume could have been much much better if he really wants it. based on his abilities, he could have been much greater if he took the risk.

 

A good read.

I don't question Dempsey as a man, by any means.

I still stand by my statements and opinions. Of course there are two halves to every story.

Was it Dempsey who was afraid? Probably not. Doesn't change the fact. His team was. They never fought. He never fought a black man as champ despite the top 3 or 4 contenders being so.

 

We can all agree that his resume would have been better if he had fought more fights. The same can be said for any fighter.

43-0 vs. his opposition
OR
a hypothetical 47-0 with his opposition + Kostya, Williams, Berto, Pacquiao

Obviously the latter would be better.

It takes two to tango, every man especially in this sport can participate however often they feel and no fans' desires should change that, etc. etc. etc.

 

Berto does not make his resume better, in fact it make is worst.

Do you really think Floyd becomes bored with boxing and thats why he takes long breaks away?

It is a calculated move so he can let the contenders beat up themselves and then return when they are all shop worn.

He still hoping Pacquiao fades a bit more.

 

Are you saying that right now, at 43-0, his resume is better than if it were 44-0 with a decisive UD over Berto occurring in, say, December of 2011? Even if Berto hadn't had the Zaveck bounce back win and was coming off a loss. Do you honesty believe decisive victories can hurt a legacy?

 

Ortiz did nothing for his legacy as well. Berto is even worse.

Wilder ain't doing nothing for his legacy fighting bum of the week every fight he has.

 

Whatever...

 

were still in the generation of Mayweather, had his peak 2007 after the hatton KO, he decided to retire and go on vacation which is fair.

it would of been the pacquaio era if mayweather wasnt around.

maybe Broner will make an era, i hope so

 

Yes, arguably top 50 ATG.

 

From what I have read, Dempsey early on said he'd "pay no attention to colored challengers", but apparently had a change of heart later on and did sign to face Wills. Tex Rickard, however, pulled the plug on the fight.

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Floyd Haters must've forgot. Keep lying to yourselves.

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A healthy Oscar, not the one that went to 145.
2008-12-06 145 Manny Pacquiao 142 47-3-2 MGM Grand, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA

Floyd fought a Jr middleweight champ in Oscar going up in weight. Pac fought Oscar at 145lbs. Oscar hasn't been below 147 for his last eight fights. SINCE 2001.

So don't give me the bull**** that Margarito the 147lb WBO champion was better than Oscar.

So keep throwing out the lame lie that Floyd avoided the best when MARGARITO WAS NEVER THE BEST. Margarito's best win was against Cotto in which HE CHEATED and took a vicious beating from Shane who FOUGHT FLOYD.

Too scare to fight Margarito but not Margarito's daddy? Make a lot of sense to me.

 

Nice. Well that's good and all. I don't fault Dempsey the man.

However, Dempsey the fighter did not fight the #1 contender for 7 years as champ despite being called out and having fan pressure. And never fought him period. Promoters' fault, sure. Nonetheless.

Not just Wills. The top heavyweights of Dempsey's reign were Wills, McVea, Jeannette, and Langford. 0 fights against them. And I still rate Dempsey as a top 5 HW ever.

I don't want to make this about Dempsey. Thanks for posting the stuff about the signing/attempted/aborted fight.

 

Dude, shut up...

Everyone knows that Oscar at 154 is a better win than Margarito at 147 at the times they were "supposed" to have met. It's hard to make a case of someone ducking somebody else when they fight someone better or more significant instead. Just leave it alone.