Is Mayweather Entering a Second "Prime"?

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  1. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Initial prime: Corley-Hatton or Marquez

    Second prime: Guerrero-

    The time between the initial and second prime was the adjustment period. He figured out how to adapt his style to account for age. We saw him tweaking his style as soon as he came back from retirement by jabbing more.

    A second prime is a rare phenomenon, but Floyd is no ordinary fighter. poster sjs19 used to say he was the missing link between Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. A master boxer who is well versed in the classical skills yet is a great athletic specimen.

    And No I don't consider the 130-135 Floyd prime. Yes, he threw combos more frequently but seriously WATCH the fights then and now for comparison

    I could still be high from my Mayweather-Guerrero prediction: it will be Floyd's best performance since Marquez.
     
  2. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    Prime and Peak are different. He was in his prime until 140 IMO, but his overall peak was around the Hatton fight.

    I don't think he's entering a second prime, he's just not as faded as people thought. He walked Mosley down because it was smart, not because he couldn't move. Cotto backed him up with smart pressure fighting tactics and a good jab, not because Floyd's legs were shot. I always thought people were exaggerating it. He doesn't move as much as he used to, but most of his career, he hasn't really that much. Even the Guerrero fight, his movement was skipping away, not punching on the move.
     
  3. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think this current Floyd could probably beat his younger self (130-135). The older Floyd is a very smart counterpuncher. The younger one was more offensive and that would give the older Floyd counterpunching opportunities.
     
  4. xRedx

    xRedx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The whole prime thing is pretty subjective. If you look close enough, it's based on a boxer's performance against another boxer. The other boxer could be just as skilled as the other fighter but the other fighter is slightly out of prime, he will lose and people will say his shot.

    Like in Winky Wright's last 3 fights, he was fighting top-notch competition but was slightly out of prime. Since he loses people say he's shot.
     
  5. PIPO23

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    He is entering his optimus prime.
     
  6. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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  7. Sweet-D-Willy

    Sweet-D-Willy Tha Realest Full Member

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    :lol:

    I doubt it but you never know... we'll see..
     
  8. puncherschance

    puncherschance Boxing Addict Full Member

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    could be, it could be like michael jordan when he developed his fade away and 3 point shot. hopkins was similar in that he proved he could be dominant in his later years relying on ring iq and veteran tricks/tactics.
     
  9. anj

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    Honestly, I seriously believe Floyd can remain at the top until age 42 ish...Lomachenko would obviously be the one to knock him off then and Floyd's loss of handspeed will **** him. What he showed with the Guerrero fight is that even if he loses his reflexes at close range, he DOESN'T NEED it, he has a more Rigondeaux approach now of escaping pressure.
     
  10. Slickstar

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    *New trainer who emphasizes the jabbing, Floyd's best distance is long range
    *No more long layoffs
    *Better understanding on how to box as a mature fighter
    *Continues to get smarter with experience
     
  11. Slickstar

    Slickstar Crisp This Full Member

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    Some say Hopkins peak was 36. That's how old FLoyd is
     
  12. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    I wouldn't call it a "prime", but a phase or something. A second version. But to me it's not much different to his usual 147 tactics. Fewer leaping left hooks, more looped right hands.
     
  13. turbotime

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    I'll never see a better Mayweather than at 135. I don't think I believe in second primes, moreso adaptability. Like Holyfield for instance.
     
  14. Slickstar

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    This what I mean. "Prime" isn't the perfect word choice to describe this phenomenon. Maybe evolution.
     
  15. Bogotazo

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    I think all this boils down to the fact he got hit against Cotto. It wasn't Floyd, it was the opponent. He looked very quick against JMM, sharp walking down Mosley, boxed well against Ortiz, it was only the Cotto fight that had people really talking about his age. I think Floyd's pretty much as good as he's ever been at 147, Cotto just brought it that night and had certain stylistic advantages.