Is Mayweather Greater Than Greb?

Greb had the only belt that mattered and defended against everyone, unlike guys like Dempsey who ducked a Greb fight.

 

No

 

yes, no doubt

greb is nothing but an overrated AF guy whom nobody has ever watched fighting and who likely trained in the pub. Mayweather is 100 times any of those old timers, mayweather's boxing is like magic for those neanderthals, they wouldnt be able even to understand it.

I will never understand the need of some people to hug the nuts of a guy whom they have never watched boxing. Especially from an era where professionals were clearly unprofessional.

 

Great post Rollin!

 

greb. not even close.

but i do think that mayweather might possibly win.
again. the weakness and strength of the modern world in terms of boxing is that world title winning pros are living better healthier lives. the damage taken years before just isnt there anymore. the way that greb and flowers both died at 32 trying to recover from the damage, decades of pugilism does to a human being. floyd would have not survived in his time...but then again. greb in this era might not actually suit our modern boxing decorums.

this isnt a knock. and greb would have definetly wanted to live in the modern era now just as a sport.

 

....and the Roman empire was pathetic, because their crappy buildings are mostly ruined after 2000 years, and their aqueducts stopped working, even though modern technology cannot get them working again.

Give up, YDKSAB or logic.

 

Funny thing is Greb wasn't actually even that much bigger than Mayweather.. he averaged 165lbs, was 5'8 & had a shorter reach than Floyd, yet he hammered countless LHWs & HWs.. some great ones too.. a sort of equivalent of that would be Floyd fighting i.e Bivol & Ward.. in between taking on men like Chisora & Dubois & chasing the likes of Usyk.. yet Floyd cried about a 5'7 former WW having an extra 2lbs on him .. despite fighting in a much softer era .. one that has performance aiding drugs, lighter hitting gloves, smaller weight jumps & many more divisions..

 

no

 

Hi Buddy.
Slight correction if I may, Greb rarely drank alcohol, if at all, it was a ruse he perpetuated so as to imbue his opponent with a false sense of security, in that if Greb had been drinking in the lead up to their fight, the fighter might feel the need not to train as assiduous as he might otherwise have, as to your assertion that his era was unprofessional, I would say that this era, and the preceding years, would have more drug cheats pound for pound ( forgive the pun ) than any time since the sports illustrious beginnings, I have never been so disillusioned with the noble art as I am today.
That said, you are entitled to your opinions, of which I value, as I do of every poster.
stay safe chacal, chat soon buddy.
Mike.

 

I don’t think it’s equivalent at all. There was same day weigh in back in the day. In all of Greb’s and Tunney’s fights, the most Greb was out weighed was by 13 pounds. Floyd was out weighed by Canelo by 15 pounds on fight night. Times were just different. Guys back then fought closer to their weight class while many fighters today drain down and gain significant weight the night of the fight.

 

I feel the same mate.. the sport today is a soap opera.. i can't get with it like i used to .. I've fallen back on the historical aspect of the sport a lot lately, its the only thing that keeps me interested.. Usyk is probably the only fella i really get up for watching now, & he's on his way out.

 

Greb's kind of stuck in time but always given the benefit of doubt. The entire forum threw a fit when I posted a primary quoting Greb drawing the colorline. This is the level of bias and close-mindedness surrounding Greb.

Uninformed or at least under-informed, people who never bothered to look for themselves repeating myths until no one needs any source to "prove" anything from said myth but any claim contrary to it, even by contemporary, primary, sources used to validate his record, is met with vitriolic emotional denial.

Fans seem to want to have their cake and eat it too with him. You can't have a sob story about the colorline holding back men and have no benefits to the benefactors of those same practices in the same exact era, however, one needs to look no farther than Harry Greb to find a case.


Say anything even alluding to the idea the same taint that makes Panama and Norfolk underclass, strips Langford and Delaney of any serious championship claim, and keeps them all significantly more poor than their undiscriminated counterparts might maybe also have something to do with judges decisions, popular belief, and standard pay all being in favor of men like Harry Greb.


Oh it's fine to say, as long as you keep "the whites" vague. Like as if we don't know the names and dates of these men. Then I can write a nice long sad story about the Ballad of Panama Gans and get all the kudos and thumbies y'all have to give. BUT, if instead of saying in 1919 whites controlled boxing, I say Tex, Mason, Kearns and Fleischer controlled boxing and instead of saying discriminated against black I say Panama Gans and instead of saying "got ducked by the whites of his era" I say Greb had a chance and drew the colorline instead.

tears.

endless, childish, tears.

So, is Mayweather getting a fair shake? I doubt it. People have no problem criticizing Floyd for things he did not do and a hard time criticizing Greb regardless of what he did or did not do.



Similarly, to how I got tears for naming historians instead of blaming the vague "media" when dealing with p4p. Keep it vague so you're not hurting fanboy feelings and no one has an issue. Tell the story of the specifics and now you're making folks cry. Greb's still benefiting from the racism of his era to this day.

 

Is there anyone who ranks Mayweather over Greb on here who rates both?

 

Hi Buddy.
The saying goes, there isn't a day go by when you don't learn something, and today's that day, I have read all the books about Greb, and countless articles in various boxing mags over 55 years or so, and I have never read or seen any indication that he was a racist, or that he drew the colour line, I have not read ( maybe before I joined ) your post where you have primary proof that he was indeed all you say, but I will take you at your word, I feel somewhat duped that I believed he was the polar opposite of what you say he really was, just shows that following and reading about a certain boxer doesn't always lead you to his real self, a sad day for me, but the truth must out.
stay safe buddy, chat soon.
Mike.

 

Greb maybe have been "greater" if we assume his record is legit and his feats aren't exaggerated. But Mayweather is the better boxer overall and I'll die on that hill.