Is Michael Moorer an overrated LHW ?

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  1. White Bomber

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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A fight between Moorer and Jeff Harding around 1989-1990 would have been fun. I would heavily favor Moorer to score a stoppage but Jeff was game. He had heart, chin and power. Would have been exciting for about 6-7 rounds
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    No he isn't. He's not top fifty for greatness and there's at least twenty who'd beat him.
     
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  4. White Bomber

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    I'm specifically talking about H2H, not greatness.
    There aren't 20 out there that beat him, not in a million years.
    But since you think they are, do tell them.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    In no order:
    Jones
    Ward
    Qawi
    Charles
    Harold Johnson
    Dariusz
    Tarver
    Spinks
    Mustafa
    Greb
    Tunney
    Bivol
    Beterbiev
    Dawson
    Calzaghe
    Kovalev
    Moore
    Maxim
    Conn
    Saad
    Maske
    Hill
    Loughran
    John Henry Lewis
    Adonis Stevenson
    Gibbons
    Conteh
    Guillermo Jones
    Floyd Patterson
    Adamek
    Hopkins
    Foster

    I'm not saying he'd lose to all of them, but he's no sure thing for top 20 head to head at 175.
     
  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft 'Snarky Little Gobshite' - IntentionalButt Full Member

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    Bernard Hopkins
    Antonio Tarver
    Eddie Mustafa
    Virgil Hill
    Dwight Qawi
    Joey Maxim
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Victor Galindez
    Lloyd Marshall
    Billy Conn
    Saad Muhammad
    Maxie Rosenbloom
    Bob Foster
    Harold Johnson
    John Henry Lewis
    Jimmy Bivins
    Michael Spinks
    Archie Moore
    Ezzard Charles

    Gene Tunney
    Tommy Loughran
    Tommy Gibbons
    Jack Delaney
    Sam Langford
    Jimmy Slattery
    Harry Greb

    There's probably a few other who might be able to as well. That's 19 guys from the 30s onwards (no way they're "too ancient") and another seven from before the 30s.
     
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  7. Jpreisser

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    Moorer has become more overrated in recent years because the prism by which some fans view him through has become diluted by the recent ascension of the WBO. More people label him a "world champion" who had x amount of "credible" defenses, even though the WBO was seen as little more than a high-level Euro belt during his day. Moorer himself stated that the belt '******ed' his career.

    I do think Moorer looked really good at the weight, however, and that he would have been a tough head-to-head matchup for many, but when you cut through the unnecessary glitz, he was a solid top-10 guy who fought very few men of note there. In terms of skill at 175, I rate him highly; in terms of greatness, he is not even on the radar.
     
  8. Colonel Sanders

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    Maybe THEY were lucky, who knows...
     
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  9. White Bomber

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    I've highlighted the ones that can beat him in yellou (but it's not a guarantee they will). The rest cannot IMO.

    Bernard Hopkins
    Antonio Tarver

    Eddie Mustafa
    Virgil Hill
    Dwight Qawi
    Joey Maxim
    Roy Jones Jr.
    Victor Galindez
    Lloyd Marshall
    Billy Conn
    Saad Muhammad
    Maxie Rosenbloom
    Bob Foster
    Harold Johnson
    John Henry Lewis
    Jimmy Bivins
    Michael Spinks
    Archie Moore
    Ezzard Charles

    Gene Tunney
    Tommy Loughran
    Tommy Gibbons
    Jack Delaney
    Sam Langford
    Jimmy Slattery
    Harry Greb
     
  10. White Bomber

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    Just like I did with George Crowcroft's list, I'm gonna do to yours. I've highlighted the ones that I think can beat Moorer (though it can go either way). The rest cannot.

    Jones
    Ward
    Qawi

    Charles
    Harold Johnson
    Dariusz
    Tarver
    Spinks

    Mustafa
    Greb
    Tunney
    Bivol
    Beterbiev
    Dawson
    Calzaghe
    Kovalev
    Moore
    Maxim
    Conn
    Saad
    Maske
    Hill
    Loughran
    John Henry Lewis
    Adonis Stevenson
    Gibbons
    Conteh
    Guillermo Jones
    Floyd Patterson
    Adamek
    Hopkins
    Foster
     
  11. Kamikaze

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    My sentiments exactly. He was Gerald If he never met Benn to me. An untested destroyer in the wrong weight class a ticking time bomb In order to make weight.
     
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  12. Kamikaze

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    I doubt a fair few of those guys are taking on MM- I think he beats most of them senseless unless they’re armed with a Wendy’s milkshake.
     
  13. ecto55

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    Christ...I bet even Manny Steward wouldn't say that.

    To illustrate how packed 175lb's is, in one roughly twenty year period (30's to 50's) you've got Billy Conn, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles and John Henry Lewis.....each with an arguable claim as being the best LHW in history...and each of which being put forward as being that by some of boxing's best fighters / trainers. So, we are only twenty years in of 120-130 years of history and we are already down to six spots available....do you seriously think Moorer is going to make the Top 10 cut?

    It'd be a cursed abomination of a list if he did.
     
  14. George Crowcroft

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    This is ridiculous.

    There's legions of all-time greats you've given NO chance at beating Michael Moorer??

    Why on earth does Bernard Hopkins have a better chance at beating Moorer than Harold Johnson or Victor Galindez?

    Same again, why does Tarver stand a better chance than Eddie Mustafa Muhammed?
     
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  15. HolDat

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    You don't have to be "dangerous" to win a fight though.
    Moorer was vulnerable with weak opponents at LHW. Saad and Yaqui get the edge due to fighting better opponents.
     
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