Is Michael Spinks a greater fighter than Marvin Hagler?

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  1. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Hagler's corner was a bit of a dud personally. A bit of that has to be on him but i think he would have been better again with someone else. Part of Hagler showing poor adaptability for a guy on his level also has to fall his corner as well. Having said that it is admirable that he stayed with the team that got him to the top.
     
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  2. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's because it is so close Jel. Much of it falls down to how you rate his win over Holmes to win the lineal heavyweight title.

    I think it's a teeny bit unfair to compare his fall from grace to Hagler's as Spinks was in there against one of the greatest and hardest hitting heavyweights in history a long long way above his best weight and division. I'm actually trying to think of a light heavyweight (vs Hagler) to throw forward as an example comparative to Tyson for Spinks but there's no-one that brutal and furious in the ranks.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes the loyalty is admirable, I agree. From what I've read, Hagler's trust and loyalty weren't easily won so it took a long time to build that up. Once the trust was in place, Hagler definitely listened to his corner.

    I think had Hagler's corner told him against Duran, 'you're waiting for him to lead, but you need to lead' or against Leonard, 'you're losing rounds, switch to southpaw', I think he would have listened and made adjustments. But I don't believe he ever got that advice.

    I just can't imagine Eddie Futch not telling Hagler to make those in-fight tactical adjustments in those fights.
     
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  4. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond You're not going to do it for free Full Member

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    I think the crux of it is, they were very good trainers, but not as good corner men. It doesn't always mix.
     
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  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolutely agree mate.
     
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  6. AdamT

    AdamT New Member Full Member

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    I rate Spinks higher

    Say what you want about the scorecards, but him beating Holmes twice is greater than anything Hagler accomplished in his career

    I know many sh1t on Spinks for Tyson, but a lighter guy fighting that animal, during that time, was always a recipe for disaster
     
  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't think so. They both dominated rather weak divisions for many years. Yeah, Mike did beat a badly fading Holmes. So, maybe a slight edge. But, I'd say about even.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The author of the OP has a strong argument!
     
  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Weak? What was weak about Spinks's LHW division? Or Hagler's MW division?
     
  10. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    After he unified it was very weak the last two years of his reign.

    Saad was shot. Mustafa couldn't make weight for the rematch. Johnson had to rebuild. Qawi couldn't make 175 and moved up.

    Eddie Davis was solid and was the only dangerous opponent Spinks faced at 175 post Qawi.

    Before facing Dwight, all his defenses we're against retreads, some of whom had already lost to Saad. (Vonzel Johnson, Murray Sutherland) or never weres like Mustafa Wassaja and Jerry Celestine. I guess Johnny Davis was kind of decent.
     
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  11. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't say Holmes was badly fading. He still edged a young Witherspoon and Williams. And he was undefeated. I think he was on the downside but barely. He was not being challenged much and he wanted that big fight.. I think part of his problem is he underestimated Spinks. Yet give Spinks credit for going 15 , even the second time when Holmes knew what he was getting.
     
  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why in the heck would you throw Obel in this mix?

    Look up “soft touch” in the WBA mandatory dictionary and you’ll see his name TWICE.
     
  13. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Winning the worlds hwt championship alone trumps anything Hagler ever did as middleweight. Plus Spinks was the only light hwt champion ever to do so. This put Mike in a totally different and higher category than Hagler.
     
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  14. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    True
     
  15. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I put Spinks ahead skillwise maybe in that he could go higher in adapting. But like I said, Hagler might have the edge in career. His claim to fame is the Hearns fight. He was hit with a pretty solid punch and he was rocked and then cut later and kept coming with Hearns landing over and over. That is what he will forever be known for.. That fight. That will to win to get respect. He put his all into that fight knowing that if he won that would be what he would be remembered for. Remember, at that point he didn't think he would ever get Leonard. This was everything. This is a tough call because both were so solid. Hagler never wanted a part of Michael. Who can blame him.
     
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