Is Michalczewski similar to Calzaghe?

:-(...Ottke comfortably outboxed Mitchell :deal.

 

Excellent post and I agree with almost 100% of it. My post, which I know your post wasn't addressing, was simply stating that the Roy Jones win wasn't what should be considered a good win (outside of the fact that he dominated). Cause even though you say no one denies it...you'd be surprised how many consider it a good to great win, even within this very thread.

 

Having Veit in top five wins among those 40+ fights just tells you the level of opposition Joe faced.

Really, Veit also lost terribly against the same Braehmer who is really ordinary (Braehmer won the LHW title only later, he was nobody when Veit narrowly beat him).

No question, Lacy win was far more important and impressive.

 

Yeah, that Anglosaxon dude seems like a cool cat with an interesting life, but his bias for Calzaghe goes beyond what I have ever heard from even the most Calzaghe nuthuggers.

Jones near prime and Calzaghe shot??? What, I don't think anyone with a decent brain would agree with that.

 

Yeah only took 10 years to unify division,if Joe was that good he would have done it a lot sooner or moved up to chase Jones but he wouldnt coz he knew hed get flattened.

 

How are you all so sure that DM was so good. Is this the same fighter who struggled with that Rocchiginni guy and only got through the fight with the help of a corrupt German ref?

 

Michalczewski would stop Calzaghe at light heavy. Joe had two fights at light heavy, both of which were against past their prime guys and got dropped twice, he was all workrate and at the higher weight would struggle against naturally stronger fighters. He would come out and win the early rounds but get outmuscled, overpowered and stopped. Their resumes are comparable, but i would go with Darius overall. He fought like a warrior and was a lot less managed than Calzaghe.

 

Joe is over rated and made his name on three wins Overhyped Lacey, Robotic Kessler and overrated (at the time and still) Bhop (who I thought won the fight). The rest of hi resume is full of has beens and regional fighters who he fought for his regional title. Prime DM is greater than Prime JC. DM is and has been underrated and Joe absurdly (by his fans) overrated.

this 46 and 0 is BS . . . does his 0 make him greater than the SRL, SRR, Duran, armstrong, Ali, Hagler . . . these guys fought the best and most of the time came out on top. He was only a regional champ who beat a bunch of guys who made their name in that region in a division that no one outside of that region cared about.

 

Yeah, even in this thread you can see where a poster called Joe shot, and Roy Jones close to prime at the time they fought.... I am almost dumbfounded by that kind of stupidity.

But I do think Joe was a greater fighter than Dm, honestly.

 

Go review the fight, pull your head out of your arse first though.

 

Calzaghe going down, getting up and dominating the round tells you his chin isn't in question. He got caught coming in, in both fights, one of which he got hit with the forearm, not the glove.

His chin is battle tested, he'll take shots all night (Kessler) and still fire back. Saying DM would stop him is ****ing stupid and is why you can't be taken seriously.

 

PS, SRL said Joe Calzaghe rates as one of the greatest fighters he's ever seen and would have competed with his era of fighters. Manny Steward offers similar sentiments.

Let's face it, hating on Joe because he never lost is ****ing ridiculous. Did he fight Bernard Hopkins in 2002? No. Did he try? Offering the guy a career high pay day and taking a very small cut himself indicates Yes. Still turned down Did he fight Ottke from 99-04? No. Did he try? Offering the guy a fight for one Euro and home court advantage indicates yes.

He beat guys who had robberies against Ottke and though it took him ten years (mostly cause Beyer didn't want to fight him, Mundine wouldn't fight him, Ottke definitely wouldn't fight him) to unify, he managed to beat "the next generation" as a 35+ fighter.

Everyone talks about Joe being a young guy beating up an old Hopkins, yet at the points of which they were at in their career, they were closer than anyone wants to give credit, Joe is no where near his prime, 1998-2004 = Joe's prime. 1996-2002 = Hopkins prime.

So, forget the fights he didn't have, rate him on the fights he did, how he performed and remember anyone with 46-0 when half their fights indicate a title fight is doing something in the sport, otherwise why don't we see it often?

His career rivals Hopkins and his win over Hopkins in my view puts him ahead of Hopkins. If that's a bad resume? So be it. His talent is universally accepted as high by some of the greats in the sport - SRL, Manny Steward, Floyd Mayweather Jr/Sr, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Roy Jones Jr all rate Calzaghe very highly, if you don't? Who gives a ****, you're just a blind little ignorant ****wit who can't see past Calzaghe not coming from our country.

 

....if you think Mitchell won that fight you need to find another sport to follow. I suggest midget wrestling.

 

I agree with most of what you are saying here, but I do have Hopkins ahead of Calzaghe in an all time great sense. Not as much as some people would suggest, but Hopkins had the better career in my opinion, though I do give Calzaghe credit for beating Hopkins.

 

Haha, Joe catches **** for not fighting guys like Prime Roy and Hop (who he signed to fight in 02 only for Hop to reneg on the deal), yet DM gets nothing but love even tho he blatantly avoided fighting Roy when everyone wanted to see that fight.

Love the hypocrisy. DM was a very good fighter, Roy would've spanked him tho. I'd take Calzaghe to outwork him too, even if he's only had a couple fights at Light Heavy. Calzaghe and Roy were in a different class to DM.