Is Mike Tyson a Top Ten heavyweight alltime?

Tyson fought and defeated the best around in the period mentioned.

His victims included Pinklon Thomas, Tony Tubbs, Frank Bruno, Trevor Berbick, James Smith, Tony Tucker, Tyrell Biggs, Carl Williams and Michael Spinks.

No ATGs there but some very decent competition.

Deontay Wilder ?

Deontay has yet to face a top thirty HW.

Did you use the word logic ?

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You're not very bright, are you ?

 

I didn't say era. I said:

"Tyson fought and defeated the best around in the period mentioned."

Referring to the period the earlier dude asked you to comment on, 1985 -1989.

Neither Lewis nor Bowe were even contenders yet, with maybe a dozen fights between them. Holy was on his way up and would have gotten a shot if Tyson had beaten Douglas.


You still haven't mentioned who had a better four year run, nor explained your laughable Deontay Wilder comment.

 

I was merely commenting on your daft comparison to Wilder. You compared Tyson's 1985 - 89 run to Wilder's preset run.

There is simply no comparison between the Tyson opponents I mentioned and anything Deontay has done.

That's what prompted my post.

You still don't get it, do you ?

Wilder has yet to beat a top thirty....his level of opposition is nothing remotely like the crew Tyson ripped through in the four years mentioned.


You've pretty much fu cked up your credibility with the Wilder comparison, but you can redeem yourself by answering the question put earlier.

Name a HW champ who had a better four year run.

 

There was a thread about Tyson's prime competition. It was pretty good by normal HW standards. It is rare that a guy is said to face good competition, the word tomato can is always thrown around, often carelessly. That thread detailed who had what record, often unbeaten for a while, before &/or after they fought Tyson.

Even with Lewis you can attack how prime his often very good compeitition was WHEN he fought them. Considering who he fought & how close they were to (or in) their prime, Tyson fought relatively good competition. It has been said edging Ali's compeition in his 1st run.

Difference was the later success & living up to their potential & heart.
But that Tyson lost his later legacy fights does not speak to how dominant he was early or how he would have done peak to peak against the best who beat him later.

C'mon FJ, Wilder is an absurd comparison. He has fought nobody at all very good even in a weak era!

Whatever might have been, Tyson was amongst the very best fighters who ever lived as it was-at his peak.

 

I see you've taken out Johnson and Marciano by your self.

Holy clearly doesn't have a four year run anything like Tysons.

Nor does Wlad (the level of dominance is there but not the level of competition).

So we're left with maybe Ali, Louis (no surprises there) and Lewis..

That's decent company for Mr. Tyson.

 

OK, it is admirable to admit bias may play a part.

Sure longevity should play a part in evaluation.
Though the question is who was so good within 4 years.

I will be open mainded about Holyfield, yet he should be marked down for almost certain PED use. And it is not better fighters, it is within a concentrated time period.

Wlad? I do not think his competition was as good.
But mainly how many guys or good guys did he beat within any 4 year period?

Sure the post peak record keeps him out of the top 5 for me, not out of the top 10. I could see 10-15 as an argument though....

Mainly Tyson beat some fighters who were very good...When he fought them.
EVERYONE fights some relative tomato cans. Especially when fighting so often.

If you check his frequency of fights & their overall records & how good they were then, Tyson beat some pretty good competition.

Louis had his "bum of the month" club, you could see many weaker opponents, but a banaced view shows the quality wins too.

 

For a period, albeit a short one, he dominted the division crushing everyone available. He took the sport on his back and carried it. He really scared some pro's . I don't see the debate.

 

Thats not what you said. You said in every fight he should of been DQ'd. You just listed a couple of fights , half of which had no fouling at all , such as Tubbs and Bruno. The rest was so minimal , its hardly even noticable.

If those guys didn't want an elbow , they should not of locked up his arms. You can't shut down the fight because you are getting outboxed and thats what they all were doing when they got an elbow. But you said he won these fights solely on the use of his elbows and his two mitts played no part at all.
this is what you said previously.

You also made a reatarded claim that King was proctecting him when King was mostly managining his opponents and that he used to wear high platform boots in the ring.
If an elbow in the clinch is so shocking to you , **** off and watch golf. Your crying is over it is an embarrassment.

 

Holyfield, i can understand and the gap between Lewis and Tyson isnt as huge as you wish it to be


But Bowe? GTFOH

Tyson has everything over Bowe.

Oh Bowe has that win over Holyfield, but the rest of his resume and career as a whole was garbage and most of his wins were Tyson leftovers (and most of the time, Tyson did a better job on them)

Ferguson, Biggs, Tubbs, Seldon, Mathis, Thomas, Golota

Both men waster their potential, but Tyson still did a whole lot more and despite being non-prime for a large part of his career, he still carved out a decent resume.

Tyson unified the titles
Bowe split them

Tyson fought the best fighters of the era in Holmes, Lewis and Holyfield
Bowe just fought Holyfield and blatantly ducked Lewis and a whole load of others.

Tyson has longetivity over Bowe

Tysons resume is better than Bowes.

Tyson didnt get retired by Golota, he made Golota quit. and dont give me that crap about Bowe not being in his prime, Tyson was more shot than Bowe was.

Check out the articles about Bowe/Tyson in Brooklyn, see who is more respected in that neck of thw woods

 

Spinks>Haye
Holmes-Tucker>Thompson
Tillis>Byrd
Bruno>Peter
Golota>Ibragimov
Ruddock-Thomas-Berbick->Povetkin

And Tyson beat all those guys in much more dominant and impressive fashion.