Is MMA a kind of wrestling?

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  1. grammaticq

    grammaticq New Member Full Member

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    I mean theatrical wrestling.
    For example, I never seen in real street fighting that anyone could passage to the legs. There is a high risk of cross kick. Actually it's pure failure under attack. The question is only speed of reaction of opponent, there is real risk of head separation.

    Besides it, there are no real kickers in MMA at all. If Crocop, can only highkick and nothing more and he is the best kicker, there are no real kickers in fact.
     
  2. Samart'sTeep

    Samart'sTeep New Member Full Member

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    Israel Adesanya who was ranked #6 in the world in kickboxing by combatpress.com and had a record of 75-5 isn't a kicker? Edson Barboza who had a kickboxing record of 25-3 isn't a kicker? Stephen Thompson who had a semi-contact karate record of 58-0 isn't a kicker? Lyoto Machida isn't a kicker? Yair Rodriguez isn't a kicker? Anthony Pettis isn't a kicker?

    Btw, Cro cop had a mild stroke and has been retired for a little while now.

    I don't really get what you're trying to argue here. If your argument is that you can counter a shot attempt with a well timed knee or a switch kick, then sure, you're correct. But everyone knows that. You still have to actually do it, though. Some of the best mma wreslters (like GSP, Frankie Edgar and Dominick Cruz) know how to use striking and feints to set up their takedowns, so it's hard for opponents to predict what's coming. Also, if your counter kick doesn't land flush, now you're in a bad position (even more in a street fight with concrete behind your head).

    As far as not seeing wrestling work effectively in street fights, i'd just watch some more youtube. There's a lot of examples of it working effectively. Most people in the general population don't know how to wrestle or kick, so it's expected you're not going to see that in fights; of course, most people don't know how to box either, but you don't need to know how to box to hurt an untrained person with a punch, while you do need to have some basic level skills to use use takedowns or kicks effectively.

    Also, for the last point, wrestling isn't just shot attempts at the legs. Greco-Roman and Judo techniques are very effective in street fights and one throw can knock someone out instantly if they land on their head.
     
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    on the last video it's not "boxer"? lol
     
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    Who would you consider a good kicker then? Buakaw Banchamek? Give me a few names of people that you consider to be great kickers.

    You there are a number of elite, even legendary, kickboxers that tried mma that didn't do so great. You know who Andy Souwer is, right? A legendary kickboxer with 160 wins and 21 losses, not to mention a two time K1 tournament champion, who beat great fighters like Artur Kyshenko, Buakaw Banchamek, Masato Kobayashi and Mike Zambidis. He went 2-3 in MMA, getting submitted twice in those three loses.

    Gokhan Saki was 81-10 in kickboxing and used to kick the **** out of people. He went 1-2 in MMA.

    Semmy Schilt is consider by some to be the greatest heavyweight kickboxer of all time. He did a little better, but still only went 26-14 in mma.

    Badr Hari another great heavyweight kickboxer, with 106 wins and 15 losses, lost his only mma fight getting submitted as well.

    There's a reason these guys didn't do so well in MMA while kickboxers like Cro Cop and Adesanya have done well. Cro Cop and Adesanya practiced their takedown defense diligently and found ways to adapt their striking style to fit the needs of mma, while others underestimated the sport and thought their elite striking skills would be enough.
     
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    I didn't title the video, man. I just posted examples of wrestling/takedowns working in a street fighting context.
     
  11. grammaticq

    grammaticq New Member Full Member

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    Yes, Buakaw great.
    Almost all Muay Thai fighters have high class.
    There are no them in MMA. It is no coincidence

    Also for example Urquidez was great master. There are no such a kickers today
    In the old promoutions they was
     
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  12. grammaticq

    grammaticq New Member Full Member

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    He is very bed kicker. He always focused on hands

    Among other things, the MMA kickers works on public, they use very few effective kickers techniques that really works well, like middle kicks and so on.
    There are very few kicks with jumps, that are most powerful
     
  13. shanemfr

    shanemfr Boxing Addict Full Member

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    MMA is MMA it's a type of everything not just wrestling, what a dumb post.
     
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    Wrestling is the most effective discipline of unarmed combat. So of course wrestling dominates MMA.
     
  15. nogibjjgear0

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    The way stephen thompson head kicks just knocked his opponent. OMG! I can feel chills running down my spine.
     


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