Is MMA in the West growing, at its peak, or dying?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Haggis McJackass, Nov 2, 2011.


  1. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    I can't see them getting rid of Rogan. He already has name recognition, he knows his ****, he comes off as respectful to the fighters and a true fan of the sport, he is articulate and he is excellent at pointing out the technical details of struggles for position and submissions, illuminating a whole new level of skill that newcomers would otherwise have no idea about.

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  2. Stoo

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    Well too me, the big picture is having Chuck type kods rather than GSP type decisions to KEEP these guys tuning in due to the exposure of the Fox deal. That was my point.
     
  3. Stoo

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    Rogan's hinted at retiring from commentary due to the travelling in both the stand up and intercontinental expansion of the UFC
     
  4. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    A $90 million plus cash injection per year plus a massively-increased profile for the sport gets Joe Rogan a hefty salary bump and a much bigger audience for his comedy shows and specials.

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  5. Will Cooling

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    More likely he'll do less shows. They're recruiting a B-Team for the FX shows. Jon Anik has already been hired as the pbp guy.
     
  6. Stoo

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    How much money are Fox paying again?

    He'll probably just stay Stateside rather than flat out retire, atleast for the duration
     
  7. Will Cooling

    Will Cooling Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Over 7 years its over 600million dollars. But the amount per year increases with each year of the deal, so in year one it'll be technically less than $90million.
     
  8. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Yeah, I can't see Rogan walking away from doing the big PPV events. He clearly loves the fights and gets a real buzz out of being so closely involved. Oftentimes he's giddy like a little kid when he runs into the cage to interview a winning fighter.

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  9. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    It is huge money which will take the sport to places it has never come close to being able to reach before.

    And not only that, the broadcast deal means that UFC will be front and centre on primetime network TV. It will be emphasized and heavily pushed by the most powerful media empire on Earth. It will be this deal that marks the crossover from niche to mainstream.

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  10. Primate

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    I'm pretty much on board with Haggis. I think people are misunderestimating how big of a deal this Fox thing is going to be. JDS v Cain is going to to be Forrest v Bonnar all over again.

    At a qualification to that statement, I've been working in the martial arts industry on a professional level for the past five years. When I started, people had no idea what MMA was. These are people who are involved in martial arts, either recreationally or professionally, and you'd basically have to describe the sport from scratch, before they'd come out with some vague "cage fighting" or "ultimate fighting" thing they'd heard about before. These days, pretty much everyone has at least heard about it in some capacity. The numbers back this up. UFC is on free to air tv in some way shape or form very regularly on Australian TV, whether it be UFC: Unleashed, spike pre-lims, Randy doing his "You got a door?" bit, or Velasquez v Dos Santos, live and free next sunday morning.
     
  11. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    Exactly. Only on a much, much larger scale.

    I think that Forrest vs Bonnar was the fight that ensured the UFC would survive.

    Cain vs JDS will come to be regarded as the beginning of the mainstream era.

    If Cain vs JDS is a classic, dramatic fight, then the process will be sped up considerably.

    If it is a boring affair, it doesn't matter. Fox is far too heavily invested in the UFC for it to make a difference. They are very serious about making this sport huge.

    They want to make it like boxing was back in the day, because there is ALWAYS a HUGE audience of guys who like to watch two tough guys fight each other. For decades, boxing scratched that itch. Then boxing ****ed itself over with the way it was run, and there was nothing to replace it. But the mainstream desire to watch two guys fighting didn't go away. It just wasn't harnessed.

    Zuffa stepped into that vacuum, and now Fox is going to take it to the mainstream. They intend to make the UFC a legitimately high-profile part of American sporting culture. And they are exactly the guys with the financial muscle and the existing broadcasting infrastructure to be able to do that. They are the giants, and they are serious about making it happen.

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  12. Haggis McJackass

    Haggis McJackass Semi-neutralist Overseer Full Member

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    NO sport constantly features exciting, dramatic contests. No sport does that.

    But for every GSP 5-0 decision, there is a Jon Jones brutal beatdown. And for every Jon Fitch borefest, there are two Chris Leben or Nick Diaz wars that have the crowd roaring.

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  13. HENDO

    HENDO Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wouldn't do MMA...

    I'll just put it that way.
     
  14. Flash Jab

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    Hendo, why do you come here?
     

  15. This right here tells it all, look for the odd one out. All except one is a national governing body for their respective sport.

    UFC cards have been boring, PPV numbers decreasing. Their only huge draw is Brock Lesnar, but everyone now thinks that hes passed it and not even very good.