Is modern scoring placing less emphasis on aggression than classic judges?

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Aggression in the older fights seemed to be the overwhelming driver of scorecards. And there was a real sense of pride being the man who could take the fight to his opponent. Now there seems to be a lot less emphasis on aggression. And more on aesthetic nuances. Anybody else notice this?
     
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  2. BCS8

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    I totally agree. Now when a guy nonces around on his bicycle for 12 rounds stinking the place out he's showing "ring generalship" and "controlling the action". Meanwhile the audience has slit their wrists from boredom and is bleeding out in the cheap seats. :fusmile
     
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  3. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I would love to be able to comment on this topic, but I'm completely disinterested in the modern scene. I'd rather watch the Johnson-Pastrano, Tiger-Giardello fights, etc.,..or an endless loop of the SRR-Graziano ko than be bothered with anything going on today.
     
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  4. jyeahfosho

    jyeahfosho mrtechnicalboxer Full Member

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    Yes I agree. Even though sometimes these boxers who move around alot etc can be beautiful to watch. Nothing ever tops the aggressive fighters. You dont play boxing, you come to FIGHT. Boxing would be in a much better place if there were more fighters that came to fight and not run away for 12 rounds throwing one punch every 10 seconds.
     
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  5. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Clearly, this is the case nowdays. And, it is much to the detriment of the sport.
     
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  6. Mendoza

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    The judging in boxing has always been hit or miss. Its bad these days, especially with crooked judges who give less aggressive fighters rounds where they are OUTLANDED on the punch stats.

    We saw this is Ward vs. Kovalev 1 and GGG vs. Canelo. Two hugely significant fights that had bad decisions. GGG vs. Canelo was perhaps the worst draw since Chavez vs Whitaker.
     
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  7. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Don't know if I'd go that far. You're talking about quite a chunk of time in the sport. Is it really the singular worst draw decision in almost 30 years time, or is it just currently the most fashionable outrage rallying cry of the week?
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, the majority at ringside had the fight very close. It's just that Mendoza loves Golovkin more than biscuits.

    I think Ruiz-Holyfield III may have been worse, I didn't much care for Rahman-Toney. Leonard-Hearns. Quartey-Lopez, Lewis-Holyfield. There are a few draws just as bad, anyway.
     
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  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Lewis-Holyfield was significantly worse.
     
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  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Winner.
     
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  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    The one female judge who had it like 10 rounds to 2 for Canelo or whatever it was beyond defensible. Among the high profile fights it was certainly the worst draw I can remember in a long time.

    Why even bother to stalk people behind the jab anymore? If stalking behind the jab, blocking your opponents shots and landing the cleaner blows doesn't win rounds. But fighting off the backfoot and getting in an occasional counter wins rounds then why even bother going forward? And then you have to consider if boxing is undergoing a change of philosophy. Perhaps it has to do with the softening of society in general. I'm not saying we have to go back to the gladiator days. That's ridiculous. But we should keep in mind that this is a combat sport. Where the objective is to bash your opponent over the head as hard as possible. To the point where they cannot continue. If that's too violent, then ban the sport. Don't change the scoring.
     
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  12. Russell

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    It's pick and choose with judges and Canelo because he's a golden goose, but since when has that not been an issue in boxing?

    Canelo has been given "preferential" treatment when it comes to the scoring of his fights over a period of years now. I don't know why anyone's surprised by it at this point.
     
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  13. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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  14. Pat M

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    Agree, this is one that was shown on ESPN last week. Action all the way. George Benton vs. Hurricane Carter.
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    The ref let them fight inside and as they used to say, "they could have fought this one in a phone booth." Carter was physically stronger, Benton more fundamentally sound but their styles meshed and made for a near perfect action fight. Carter was aggressive, Benton met him and they did some good inside work. Benton looked determined to use his uppercut because Carter was bending at the waist. Surprisingly, the uppercut wasn't as effective as the right to the head over Carter's left that Benton started using later. They both showed offensive and defensive skills in a fight where their heads were touching most of the way. The spectators showed their appreciation at the end.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    Nah. I think modern scoring just places less emphasis on the actual fight ! :lol:
     
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