In my eyes Clay didnt beat frazier in fight 2 especially as he just clinched, 3rd he was lucky futch was sensible. Liston 1 and 2 both fixed mob orientated. Foreman yeah give him that but it wasnt his boxinh technique that won that it was the heat the ropes and foremans exhaustion.
They dont call him the greatset for nothing. The guys he beat is unbelivable unlike someone like Tyson who never beat anyone great at all!
What you all need to remember is that Ali beat Frazier, Foreman and liston when he wasn't at his prime now thats scary. Think about it the greatset Heavy who ever lived dominated the sport for 20 years beat the toughest Heavies who ever lived and didn't have a peak.
LISTON fixed, Frazier won the 1st which was most important, 2nd if clay wasnt allowed to hold as much which he shudnt he would have lost even tho i fort he did anyway, 3rd fair enuf give him that, Foreman ring ropes too loose and it was too hot there if fought in america foreman wins. Norton schooled him deserved all 3 fights more dodging judges. cooper knocked him down was gunna finish him but clay had smelling salts and "ripped glove" blatant cheating.
Muhammad Ali,,,,, 'Shook up the World' He did beat a man called 'invincible' by every expert boxing scribe, Sonny Liston. Whether they were fixed or not, they were wins. That alone should qualify him as one of the 'greatest'. And he was part of 'The Fight of the Century'. A fight that was at the perfect time, by two perfect fighters.
You have got a serious chip on your shoulder regarding this guy. Every single post i have ever read from you involves slagging of Ali or Clay as you like to call him. Can i ask why the hatred? I mean, there are fighters im not too keen on, rapists and murderers as such, but i judge them on their boxing abilities and achievements and would rather not comment on their extra-cirricular activities. I am not slagging you off, im just curious