Is Muhammad Ali vs Mike Tyson the GREATEST fantasy match up of all time?

Not to repeat, but...

Cobra,

Do you see the point of that gif? :deal

It's prime 1991 Evander getting dropped in the third round against a fighter and puncher vastly inferior to Mike Tyson in virtually every conceivable way. Yet, Mike wouldn't hurt Holyfield? :rofl:rofl On the contrary, witness Tyson walk through 230+ lb Razor Ruddock's power shots with enough stamina to last the distance.

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Fighting Holyfield in 1991 was probably as motivated as he'd been since before the Michael Spinks fight. I think he would've went ape **** on the smaller Holyfield and dominated the fight early, possible scoring a couple KDs like Bert Cooper (not to say the man couldn't punch like hell) did in November '91 when Tyson would've fought pretty much that exact version of Holy, and they'll serve as a cushion for when Mike's work rate begins to slow and Evander smartens up and starts to box and move, counter, utilize his strengths and starts taking the mid-rounds. He won't dominate the clinches in nearly the same fashion he did in 1996 because he just wasn't built like that at that particular time. Tyson WILL have enough left in the tank to see through to the final bell and Holyfield will not stop that version of Tyson. People will be tempted to bring up the Douglas fight but the extreme size, reach and jab that Douglas displayed just aren't there to cause the same sort of problems. Not to mention it was Mike at obviously his absolute worst ever. IMO it's a close, but clear brutal UD. deal

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Oh, you wanna get all serious, eh? Ok then. Lemme get all serious.

Cooper was inferior in every possible way to Tyson, quite true. Even inferior in every possible way to '96 Tyson, no doubt. Cooper hit like a mule though, he caught Holyfield off guard with a punch and dropped him. Moments later Evander went right back to chopping him down. Fighters get hurt from time to time, especially when facing devastating punchers. Ali was dropped and badly hurt by his own Cooper, after all. Holyfield stood up to far worse than what Cooper caught him with and did so consistently. They all failed where Cooper succeeded, not because they were in any way inferior to him, but simply because **** happens when you get hit from time to time. Mike was more than capable of hurting Holyfield, that's all fine and dandy, but he's not finishing him. He never finished anyone possessing anywhere near the same kind of durability and recuperative powers a peak Evander Holyfield had. He never beat anyone of Holyfield's quality at all even, nevermind a stoppage.

I suspect Holyfield would dominate the clinches all the same, muscles be damned. Tyson would let guys hold him in close and he wouldn't work. Absolutely horrifying at mid-range, but lackadaisical on the inside. Holyfield doesn't necessarily need to be able to push Tyson around at will to get the better of the clinches. All he needs to be is a better inside/clinch fighter, which he most definitely was. He'd make it very rough and physical, and yes, that means headbutts. Tyson will throw his elbows as well, but the difference is Holyfield handles that kind of fight beautifully - in fact, he relishes in it - Mike slowly breaks down from it. Evander will smother, he will push, he will brawl when he needs to and he'll survive it while getting in his own licks. He'll frustrate and anger Tyson throughout, gradually wearing him down as he takes him through hell. He'll box and move far, far better than he was capable of by '96, picking his spots and outjabbing Mike then roughing him up when the time comes. A dangerous gameplan to be certain, but Holyfield would be well aware of the dangers and he'd be capable of handling them. This isn't Holyfield with the mindset of a tune-up. This is Holyfield entering the biggest, most important fight of his life. He'd be at his very best and most motivated for Mike. Tyson has some really big moments here and there, Holyfield has the rest of the fight. Clear UD.

They fight 12 times and Tyson would pick a few wins up, possibly even a 'lucky' stoppage in one of them, but he's never getting the better of Holyfield over a series. Holyfield's mix of attributes, his variety of style, his mentality all point to him being the right man for the job. Always. i'm talking peak Tyson vs peak Holyfield, too, not just a battle in '91, because 'Always.'






Always.

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Great post, I love it. :yep

There is no type of stoppage prediction here.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13131739

That's what I think of Evander's recuperative powers.

While Cooper got in with a lucky shot to stun Holyfield to set up the barrage, I don't think Tyson relies on that. His aggressive nature, speed and ability to find openings and come from a variety of angles would see to it that he rattles Evander's cage. Being that he's one of the fastest starters in history, I think it'd actually happen several times over the course of a first few rounds resulting in an wide early lead before everything you described begins to come to fruition. The only differences here is that prior to prison, Tyson had the same desire to be in a dog fight and I've never seen him more dirty than in those Ruddock fights. When he came out of the clink, the fighting spirit just wasn't there for him. Prior to, he was still a 12-round fighter even if his work rate inevitable slowed due in large part to how fast and hard he threw punches over the first half of a fight and not necessarily outright lack of stamina. Unlike in 1996, he would be throwing and landing shots throughout instead of being easily shutout and grinded down to a stoppage loss. Extremely close fight.

 

Thank you. I'm quite proud of it. Feels like I hadn't made a post that good in ages.

Aye, close fight. A better fight than their actual meeting by some ways. In fact, a better fight than Ali-Tyson could ever have been. :deal

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You don't think I tried to draw it out with a barrage of ridiculous duranimal style emoticons and video evidence of Evander flinging helplessly into the ropes; Tyson walking through smashes like a Beast...

 

We could all learn a thing or two from duranimal... :think




That ****ing psychopath.

 

i think i'd have to say louis-ali. they are often rated 1 and 2. depending on who you ask louis is 1 ali is 2 or ali is 1 and louis is 2.

 

Any combination of Pac, Mosley, Duran, Corralles, Castillo and Floyd at 135

 

i'd put jmm on that list as well.

 

I think vitali is slicker and in his prime he hit just as hard and can take a better punch
i think he beats him 9/10 times. But id love to see it man

 

SRL vs SRR

Duran vs Floyd at LW

Hearns vs RJJ,who glass shatters first

Tyson vs Foreman

Whitaker vs Floyd

Hagler vs Hopkins

 

ZZZzzzz...

 

Mayweather vs Prime DLH or Prime Mosley
Mayweather vs Chavez at 140
Prime JMM vs Prime Erik Morales
Chavez vs Salvador Sanchez

 

2001 version of B-Hop vs Prime Hagler

1987 Mike Tyson vs Prime Foreman