Is Mustafa Hamsho An ATG?

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  1. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    He wasn't great, but boxing needs men like Hamsho.

    And his spirit certainly was 'ATG'.
     
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  2. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No, he is not near ATG and I don't think deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. No way.. He was a solid contender and a tough guy with a tough style and southpaw. Should Roldan be in the hall of fame?
     
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  3. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I not only dont think he is an ATG ,I dont think he was a great. I believe I am right in saying Hamsho only beat 4 top ten Ring ranked middleweight contenders,
    Scypion
    Parker
    Watts
    Minter
     
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  4. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I was referring to this bit.
    Well if fighters like Zale ,Graziano or Carter considered ATG's Hamsho should also be included. Of the three only Zale qualifies as a great imo
     
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  5. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    The HOF is meaningless to me.Both Hamsho and Roldan were," solid contenders," nothing more imo.
     
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  6. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Hall of Fame means something, but it is a voted on thing. But many of the belts today are meaningless also. I agree. They were both contenders. A fight between them would have been brutal.
     
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  7. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Pat Cuillo gave him a boxing lesson.
     
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  8. jabber74

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    I would not go that far. He was a tough brawler and a spoiler, beat a few decent ones, but still a step down from guys like Nunn and Kalambay.
     
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  9. BundiniBlack

    BundiniBlack Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Are all C+ / B- level fighters
     
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  10. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I'd agree he is a step down in talent, against many middleweights he would be ,but he compensated with heart,strength and durability a B level Gene Fullmer,if you will.
     
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  11. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It's a popularity contest ,imo.Fame not Greatness.
     
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  12. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He would give Barkley a tough night.
     
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  13. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would beat him.
     
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  14. FastHands(beeb)

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    Not an ATG, or even a "modern great", to coin a phrase. A very good contender unlucky to be around & in his prime when the definitely ATG Hagler was undisputed champion. Against a lesser champion or in an era of split titles, he would likely be good enough to be a titlist.

    For example, put him in Vito's place against Corro, he likely becomes the Middleweight Champion of the World.

    Timing is everything...
     
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  15. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Some of the last 50 years Hamsho isn't beating include,imo.
    Griffith
    Tiger
    Giardello
    Kalambay
    Hopkins
    Jackson
    McClellan
    Pavlik
    Taylor
    Martinez
    Toney
    Benvenuti
    Monzon
    Valdez
    Nunn
    Martinez
    Golovkin
    Alvarez
    Jones Jnr

    He would have a shot at picking up a strap against
    Pender
    Downes
     
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