Is Nonpareil Dempsey’s draw over McCarthy one of the most underrated feats ever?

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  1. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Reports of Dempsey’s tuberculosis came as early as 1891, yet Dempsey decisively beat the underrated Billy McCarthy in 1894 despite appearing to be a draw. McCarthy himself beat Ted White who had a win over a prime Kid McCoy, as well as Jim Hall. He was a genuine contender.

    Dempsey, despite being outweighed by 9 pounds and suffering from ****ing tuberculosis, beats the crap out of McCarthy for 11 rounds straight. He won every round after round 9 on many newspapers. He literally died a year after this happened

    I believe the Nonpareil hype, he probably would’ve done well against men his own size in other eras. What does this say about Fitz and Ryan’s wins over him?

    https://cdnc.ucr.edu/?a=d&d=SJMN189...--en--20--1--txt-txIN-Dempsey+McCarthy-------
     
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  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wild.
    It´s a type of win it won´t be ever replicated, I tell you that much.
    Imagine Fury beating Usyk while having ebola or something..
     
  3. Melankomas

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  4. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    McCarthy was made for Dempsey, typical slugger vs counter-puncher kind of fight.
    Ted White's win over McCoy was rather questionable from the description of the bout in Sporting Life, even though the report called it "very popular verdict", but when you read round after round White missing and McCoy countering cleverly (although, probably, being a bit lazy), and then concluding that it was a popular decision, I find it hard to digest, some rather biased reporting on the part of London newspaper and the London referee.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

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    Nah Jim Corbett drawing with Dempsey in the gym is after a few months experience is.
     
  6. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Any more info on this? Always knew Corbett was a freak talent but that’s pretty extraordinary
     
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  7. Journeyman92

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    This is a roughly recalling things but it can all be found in the first two chapters of Corbetts book. Corbett says Dempsey weighed 144lbs to his 160lbs when they went at it, Dempsey in the beginning commented he wouldn’t mind a “sweat” Jim starts the second chapter by saying he’s been there a few months.
    Dempsey is with Mike Clearly who thinks Dempsey is going to get more than a sweat. Jim is honoured to spar and comments that he was wary of his feinting, he’d watched Dempsey before and learnt to feint by observing him. They slugged it out in a crowded growing room of observers and didn’t finish till a half hour later with no round breaks, it finished in a clinch where Jack hit him on the nose with his wrist giving him his first nosebleed Corbett being Corbett lost his temper and JD put his arm up and told him it was enough for today so they became pals and he (Dempsey) remarked it was one of toughest goes he ever had to his acquaintances.
     
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  8. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    Is there a PDF of Corbett’s book anywhere online? I’d love to read the narcissistic old fart’s self-loving totally unbiased accounts of his prime.
     
  9. Journeyman92

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    I don’t know I had to buy it. There is value in the book, I loved it personally.
    Humorously even in his own book Jim reads a little out of touch socially he takes offence very easily, instigates arguments and fights with everybody. from memory he starts a few street brawls over seemingly nothing.
    Fitz actually threatens to shoot him after there fight for telling him he’ll attack him every time they cross in the street till he gets a rematch…
    In the last chapter Mark Twain asks him not to hit him jokingly after they shake hands but I imagine Ol Jim holding up his fist like a jock bullying the author “Two for flinching nerd” lol.
     
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  10. Melankomas

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    The early champs pre-Dempsey were so colourful compared to many of the ones after, maybe 1880s-1900s culture just differed to post-WW1 culture but these guys were really ****ing funny at times.
     
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