Is Norton's resume comparable to Frazier's?

not "why?", frazier won by a bigger margin.


when u are told a fact, say that the sun will rise in the east, stop saying "Why?", Mendoza. It makes u look an arze.

 

Good post!

 

But he would still have those wins over prime versions of Quarry,Bonavena,and Ellis. Many rank Frazier in an AT Top Ten ,anyone have Norton there? Take out one close win over Ali and one over Jimmy Young,[ another nearly man,] and what wins over prime top men has Norton got on his record?

 

A lot of people have pointed out that Fraizer beat better versions of Ali and Quarry as well as Bonevena, Chavulo, Ells, Mathis, Machen...

The only thing that I have to add is that the losses count too. You just didn't see Frazier getting beat by Jose Luis Garcia types. Nor was Fraizer every brutally knocked out like Norton against Shaver, ****ey, etc. Even in the Foreman fights Frazier was ready to go.

Subtle but important differences. Norton was a minor great, Frazier a first tier great.

 

Frazier's resume is better.
Norton's best win outside of Ali is the win against Jimmy Young, and that was a razor-close fight.
Frazier's best win outside of Ali is the win against Jimmy Ellis and that was a convincing stoppage.
Frazier also battered Quarry TWICE before Norton got him.

It's clear that Frazier's resume is superior.

 

I don't consider Norton a great fighter ,minor or major.

 

Quarry was at the end of the line when he faced Norton.
He was actually a short-notice 3rd choice substitute.
Frazier had beat the hell out of Quarry, badly, just the year before. And he beat him years before that too, when Quarry was around prime.

I think Norton would have beat a prime Quarry anyway, but the actual 1975 fight isn't anything to boast about.
I wouldn't regard Quarry as a serious contender at that point at all.

 

I think Frazier's is better

The '66-'71 Frazier accomplished a lot, culminating in the Ali title fight win

Norton, beating Ali in a non-title fight, going the distance but losing to Holmes. losing controversially to a faded Ali, and barely beating Young are his highlights.

 

I think you bring forward a decent argument, actually.

But Frazier's victories over Chuvalo, Bonavena, Quarry, Ellis and Bugner were all decisive whereas at least Young was close, and they were all in their primes. I also think he has the better third tier wins over Machen, Mathis and Foster.

You also have to factor in somewhat that Norton has more losses, even though most of them was pre prime or post prime. Not least since all off Frazier's losses were quite arguably past prime.

There isn't a huge margin between them, though, so I think you make an interesting point.

 

Notice the operative phrase "WIN resume" WIN WIN WIN. I couldnt give a rats ass that Norton shared the ring with and lost most of his big fights. Its about winning. Period. Even then, even if yoy somehow give a fighter a modicum of credit for losing Frazier still has a much better resume. Beyond the lone split decision WIN over Ali (the ONLY reason anyone even knows who Norton is) his resume is thin. Yeah he beat Quarry, when Jerry was shot to pieces and after having avoided him for years and after Frazier had beaten him twice, the last time so bad that everyone was begging Jerry to quit. Yeah he beat Young, in a fight I thought Young was robbed in, then what? Stander? Oh wait Frazier beat him easier and earlier, Bobick? Kirkman? Clark? See how rapidly Norton's resume falls apart. Fraziers is much, much deeper. Ali, Ellis, Bonavena, Chuvalo, Bugner, Mathis, Quarry, Foster. And thats before you start throwing in the faded contenders like are trying to do with Norton, guys like Machen, and Jones. Their resumes arent even close in terms of depth or accomplishments. Frazier fought his way all the way through the rankings to #1 and ultimately beat the best contenders and claimants to cement his place. Norton leap frogged into the rankings based on one split decision win, camped out there without really being tested and then was retroactively handed a title based on a gift decision win over a non champion and wasnt even able to make a successful title defense. Give me a break even comparing the two.