Is old man Holyfield better than anyone Ibragimov has faced so far ?

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  1. Unforgiven

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    Probably is. :deal
     
  2. Unforgiven

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    Well, that's just a guess.
    Truth is, Sultan drew with Ray Austin, and was floored by him, and old man Holyfield is probably better than Ray Austin.

    Sultan Ibragimov's just another Russian (or former Soviet) name that people have latched on to, and now he's got a "WBO title" so it justifies some rating of him. But he's more or less completely unproven.

    There are people on this site (they know who they are!) who even said Audley Harrison was the ****, because they just latched on to a name with an unbeaten record.

    Holyfield's dreary close "win" over Fres Oquendo and his beating of 41 year old Lou Savarese are about equal to a win over 37 year old Shannon Briggs and a life-and-death draw with Ray Austin.

    Anything could happen in this fight, but whoever wins i dont will get much credit for it.
    If Holyfield wins people will look back and say "Ibragimov was a nobody" (true).
    If Ibragimov wins they will say "Holyfield was about 15 or 20 years past his prime!" (true)

    Still, it's an interesting fight.
     
  3. Cookie

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    I think Austin could perhaps have beaten Holyfield. Whitaker might have beaten him as well. Holyfield is no contender these. He's there on name alone and by virtue of not having lost recently.
     
  4. DamonD

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    Pretty much, yes. 2007 Holyfield is no fleet-footed dancer but he's bound to at least be capable of more of a fight than the virtually immobile Briggs managed. I don't have a lot of faith in Sultan's abilities, I am sorry to say.
     
  5. shelterr

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    I think old man Holy is better competition that Sultan has faced as of yet. Briggs was terrible in their fight and Austin sucks pretty bad. As of late, Ibragimov has been pretty fast and active and this could be Holyfields downfall. I hope Holy beats him, but he's gonna have to kick it up a notch and have the fight of his life. Chagaev would mop the floor with both of them, but for now that doesn't matter.
     
  6. maciek4

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    Styles make fights and Ibragimov has the style to beat Holyfield badly and win every round. Ibragimov has fast hands like James Toney and Holyfield is going to be very slow.
     
  7. FlatNose

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    I even hate talking about this fight, perhaps worthy of an ESPN main event but not much more.A has been against a never gonna be.Maybe some risidual effect from Holyfields steroid use will hold him in good stead and he'll outhustle the Russian bum down the streatch.
     
  8. Loufatski

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    Holyfield is still a soild competitor but Ibragimov will probably beat him. Briggs is nothing to sneeze at, but he's probably no better than a C+ fighter. Who wins Brewster vs. Briggs?
     
  9. AJAX

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    sounds about right, Sultan is not flat footed like saverse or bates and has more snap in his punches than fres, I see an easy UD for Sultan if not a late stoppage.
     
  10. Zakman

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    It says alot about the quality of the HW division that this is even debatable, but yes, a very strong case can be made that Holyfield - even in his current state of decline - is the best opponent Ibragiomov has fought.
     
  11. Feiti

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    Yes I´d be inclined to think Holy is indeed better than Lance Whitaker or a totally out of shape Briggs. Maybe he´s better than Ray Austin as well. You should remember that Austin drew with Larry Donald after Holyfield lost to him.

    I´m betting on Ibragimov in this fight though. I don´t think Holy can withstand a fast slugger like Ibrag at this point. I will give Holy a chance in this fight however, especially if Ibrag comes in out of shape.
     
  12. digiram

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    I'd love to see Holy win his 5th, but you're probably right.
     
  13. geppy

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    Holyfield will be the second most steroid using fighter, Sultan has fought.
     
  14. Mendoza

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    After watching Holyfield get knocked out by James Toney, my thoughts were his days of beating top ten fighters are over. So the question is, if Ibragimov a legitimate top ten heavyweight?

    I think he is. The power, speed, and skills are there. Ibragimov proved he could switch up his tactics a bit and out box a puncher like Briggs. It was a safe, but impressive performance.

    If Holyfield better than Ibragimov’s best opponents? I believe Ibragimov’s best opponents were Friday A, Whitaker, Austin, and Briggs. Is Holyfield better then these four right now? I dunno. Holyfield comeback post James Toney has been soft touches. Although Holyfield looked good vs Lou Saveresse, Savereese might have been ( GASP ) more shot than Holyfield was.

    If they meet in their primes Holyfield would win, but as they say in the fight business, that was then and this is now. I think Ibragimov is going to knock Hoylfield out by fighting at a pace the old warrior can not keep up with. We’ll see.
     
  15. brooklyn1550

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