Is Ortiz an overrated, overhyped, untested glassjaw?

Well I walked by Christain Slater once in 2012 after 5 AM binge out of the local bar on 9th street in N.Y as he was discussing some movie plot walking by with his friend and im pretty sure he isn't in fighting shape now and I was in better shape then he was at that time.

Beyond that Ortiz is a very good fighter ,he would do better against shorter guys and skills don't lie but when someone looks up his resume it will read 2 wilder losses ,if he wishes to get more credibility for the masses he needs a top win with someone not named Wilder.

 

So what? He was refuting the assertion that no-one other than Wilder was keen to fight him.

 

Whilst also defeating 2 long standing champions away from home as an underdog. Bizarre isn't it?

 

He's no Del Boy

 

What's bizarre is that you don't seem to even know what Fury's record says.

 

No Brain strikes again.

I both agreed with your statement and pointed out something else but you don't seem able to comprehend that.

 

Are you saying that Fury is the only unified champion in the history of the division to never defend the championship, much less fight a single top ten contender in his entire career?

 

He got hit flush in the chin by a big puncher in Wilder and didn’t stay down.

 

That certainly would be true - it's an especially weird fact when taken in conjunction with what I said earlier.

See, I take the good and bad with fighters into account. Something you're unable to do.

 

Wilder isn't a all time puncher. Unless you are going guys to Tye Fields all time punchers list. Tye Fields actually knocked out some guys that Wilder faced much easier than Wilder did and did it with one punch.

But of course Ortiz was always overrated. His best wins in his career came against feeble old man Tony Thompson and Bryant Jennings. That is it. Ortiz never had his chin tested. So Deontay Wilder stopped a 50 year old Ortiz proves nothing. The only people who are impressed are casual fans. The younger generation of clueless fan and these horrible boxer commentators who don't know what they are talking about.

Chris Arreola knocked out Eric Molina in 1 round. Deontay Wilder took 9 and multiple knock downs. Is Arreola a all time puncher?
Deontay Wilder took 9 rounds to stop china chin Artur Szpilka. He landed numerous flush right hands and Artur smugged through them. Wilder was lucky to catch Szpilka lunging in or he would of never stopped him. Adam Kownacki and others beat Szpilka much quicker. Are they all time great punchers?

Deontay Wilder could never drop Johann Duhaupus even though he landed everything but the kitchen sink. Alexander Povektin knocked the soul out of Duhaupus. is Povetkin a time puncher now?

Deontay Wilder took 4 rounds and multiple knock downs to stop Harold Sconiers and got knocked down himself. Bermaine Stiverne knocked out Sconiers in 1 round. Eric Kirkland stopped Sconiers in 1, Davaryll Williamson knocked out Sconiers in 1, Cedric Boswell stopped Harold in 1. Then you can add guys like Andrey Fedosov in 4, Claudio Rasco in 5, David Defiagbon 5. Are these guys all time great punchers?

Deontay Wilder couldn't technically stop a faded shop worn Chris Arreola. Yet Bermaine Stiverne could. So again is Stiverne a all time great puncher?

Tye Fields knocked out Nicholai Firtha with one punch in the 6th round. Deontay Wilder took lesser rounds but multiple knock downs to finally stop this guy. Does that mean Tye Fields is all time great puncher?

Wilder has yet to get into the ring with somebody who is known for their good chin, has skills, is in their prime period. Never mind knock out somebody like this. So far in his career he has shown he can knock out old men, hand picked opponents and guys who will never be anything.

The main difference between Wilder and Tye Fields is that Tye is slower because he out weighs Wilder by 40 pounds. Tye Fields did step up and fought guys who at least threw punches back and this current era is so bad that somebody who is as unskilled as Wilder can be champion.

 

Slater can punch, ask Travolta.

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Yeah, because he already had a $7 million dollar payday with Wilder waiting. Everyone in boxing knew that.

 

Anthony Joshua offered Ortiz seven million for a shot at his unified titles.

Dillian Whyte wanted Wilder, not Ortiz. It sounds like to me that Whyte wants the harder fight. That shouldn't be overlooked when talking about Whyte.

 

Whyte was ordered to fight Ortiz by the WBC in a final eliminator with the winner getting Wilder. But Whyte declined the fight and ended up fighting Joseph Parker instead.

Ortiz declined the AJ fight because he already had the Wilder rematch for $7 mil on the table, plus he was probably juiced to the gills when the AJ offer came in 5 weeks before the fight.

 

I heard Ortizs team stuffed up by not letting Luis know about the offer and declining on his behalf in attempt to bargain more money from Hearn. Ortiz did not make $7 million anyway. Everybody should know by now that he only got 1.5 million for his knock out loss.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/box...-fight-purse-money/1dt6pe9o51lrv1eosn9y4yrha7

Anyway, sticking to the subject...I was only making the point that someone did want to fight Ortiz. You said 'no one' wanted to fight him and I wasn't sure if you knew because if you did know, then obviously you wouldn't say 'no one' wanted to fight Ortiz. Thats all.

All I know is that Whyte calls out Wilder more than anyone on the scene. He calls out Wilder like Briggs calls out Klitschko.