Is Ortiz an overrated, overhyped, untested glassjaw?

Yes he did make $7 mil. Ortiz's flat purse was 1.5. His total guarantee is 7 mil. Just like Deontay's purse was 3 mil, but his total payday guarantee is 20 mil. That's how PPV's work.

Whyte calling Wilder out means jack****. When it was nut-cuttin' time and he had the chance to fight Ortiz and then Wilder if he beat Ortiz, he bailed and opted for Joe Parker. Actions speak louder than words.
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/11...ranteed-about-20-million-luis-ortiz-7-million

 

I'm not sure about that source. It looks suspect when they say 'he got $3 million (but his 'total guarantee' is $20 million). Could be true. Not certain.

My point being was - no more of this 'nobody wants to fight Ortiz' nonsense. AJ tried to fight him but Ortiz looked at Wilder and AJ and picked Wilder to fight. Thats the point and I think you get it now because you're straying from it and not admitting you were wrong or you probably didn't know.

 

Look it up dude. Ortiz got 7 mil, you can probably find his total guarantee anywhere if you know how to use google. So, instead of fighting AJ on short notice and probably failing a drug test, he took a full camp and got 7 mil to fight a guy he almost KO'ed in the 1st fight. Seems pretty cut and dried, everyone in boxing knew the rematch was happening anyway. The two things I do know is Dillian Whyte declined a final eliminator fight with Ortiz, and Tyson Fury said fighting Ortiz wasn't worth the risk.

 

So no more 'nobody wants to fight Ortiz' nonsense from you? LOL

You however have lied, we have proof of that.

Straying from the subject is an act of defeat. Just admit you were wrong or talking...what ever they call it.

Whyte wanted Wilder so bad. I'm not seeing the same efforts from Deontay who I think would beat Whyte but it doesnt look like he wants the only guy who keeps calling him out.

 

It's a figure of speech dude. Do you take everything literally? He's 31-2 so obviously people have fought him. My god, it's like smashing my head into a brick wall. "Most" top HW's, like Whyte, want nothing to do with him. There, is that better. Holy ****, man.

 

Its good to admit you were wrong and you don't want to ruin your credibility other wise people will think you talk nonsense. Took you awhile though. Some people need to leave that 'Im always right' mentality.

Just don't say 'no one wants to fight him' and then go on to say he's 31-2. Its contradictive on your part.

 

There are only a few active HW's who have proven themselves to be at a level above Ortiz.

So there are those few he has not proven to be at (Wilder, Joshua, Fury, Ruiz, Povetkin). Maybe a couple more now you can argue above him easily (Parker, Whyte) though not by some astronomical amount. Saying he is average is to imply that there are only 5-ish fighters at HW that are above average. He's good. Not many top 10 HW's right now have multiple wins over any other top 10 HW.

EDIT: I will also add that I believe Luis Ortiz would be a contender in any HW era.

 

Ortiz has done better than almost all against Wilder he was far from disgraceful

 

You could've saved yourself a lot of time by just writing a short post on how you hate DW and think he's a bum.

 

Ortiz is a very good skillful boxer, which is typical of cuban boxers but then you add in the part where he's a southpaw, thats a lot to deal with. Theres not many southpaws that go on to become heavyweight champion of the world.

 

Anyone that comes out of Cuba always gets overrated. But they turn out to be glass jawed and quitters.Gamboa, Ortiz and Rungundeaux.

The latest is that dude that made his pro debut that loss and got dropped. Apparently he was a gold medalist. But, anywhoo!

It is what it is..

 

The only decent puncher Ortiz has faced in his career is Wilder, so it's hard to rate his jaw. He looks like he can take a shot, but looking like you can take a shot and actually doing so are two different things. Besides that who's really tested his jaw? Jennings? Hammer? Tony Thompson? None of those guys is particularly renowned in the power stakes, and none of the various bums he's padded his record with over the years had the skill to land on him with anything significant.

The excuse that no one wants to face him is a weak one, and easy to see through. Ortiz just likes to play it safe, which is perhaps symptomatic of the fact that he knows he's not got the sturdiest of jaws. Regardless, if anyone was scared of him before they won't be now, so it's a perfect opportunity for him to prove all his doubters wrong.

 

Right here is the reason hes overrated, just because he was a good amateur and from Cuba he was automatically tagged as "special" when really and truly he was a bang average contender as a pro

 

Hes ready for bed mate, I don't want to see an old boy look bad again, his times up !

 

I have to strongly disagree with this. Matchroom put Ortiz in with Dave Allen and Scuba Scott to help build his profile over here to set up some matches with top domestic opposition and all Ortizn't did was stink the joint out making him no longer commercially viable.

And that's his problem. Relatively speaking, he's high risk and 0 reward. And non of the casuals have a clue who he is because he always fails to deliver.