Is Oscar an ATG

Definite ATG.

 

This is a really really difficult question IMO. Oscar's legacy, his accomplishments, what he did for the sport, the strength of his resume (I believe he won both the Trinidad fight and the second Mosley fight), all of this points to yes he is an ATG.

But there is a part of me that thinks deep down that Oscar never had ATG ability. It is undeniable that he lost more of his biggest fights than he won in reality.

If he is a top 10 all-time welterweight then he should be classed as an ATG, taking that into consideration along with his superb accomplishments. However, I'm really not sure if he is a top 10 all-time welterweight.

Undecided.

 

Hall of Famer - Most Definitely
GREAT resume
ATG - Emphatic NO

I've watched ALL of his fights and have never thought he could beat the greats of the past and that's a big criteria for me..He's too indecisive and doesnt' have ANY killer instinct. And he's VERY manipulative

1. Mosley - Lost twice to basically a "roided" lightweight
2. Mayweather - Lost to a lightweight
3. Tito - Ran for a 3 FREAKING rounds and didn't engage..Not how I like to see my $60 spent, ya dig
4. BHOP - Not doubting the liver shot, but to "pounce:roll: " the canvas JUST after you lost and then your partners with the guy a WEEK later, WOW
5. Vargas - Good win, but let's be real, Tito ruined that fool.
6. Mayorga- Read Vargas
7. Yori Boy Campus - Read Vargas (9 years after Tito literally took his head off, dude was washed up and he put that **** on PPVatsch )

I give Oscar credit for his resume, but to me he didn't distinguish himself as an ATG imho.

P.S. - is beating a guy who once fought at 98lbs gonna get it done
He doesnt' care because you suckers will gobble it up and he'll make LOADS of dough.......I'll catch it on stream:yep

 

Sure, even when he lost there was real disputes out side of Mayweather and Hopkins.
He fought just about everyone, with no dodging I can recall.
There are dammed few ever that fought the calibre of men always, than he did.

 

Without a doubt! He is! He beat Tito and people are still on the last THREE rounds. If I beat a guy for 9 straight and FAR FROM CLOSE rounds, I would coast also just to guarantee my victory. How can he not be an All Time Great? Every fight he lost was close. Come on, take off the "I probably never boxed but my negative, biased opinion matters" cap and see the man for what he has accomplished.

 

top 40 of all time in my book...

and head to head top 10 Welterweights of all time...

 

Oscar lost 2 big fights to the judges but not to the people. That should be taken into consideration. Its not if you lose, its how you lose. Oscar is a definite ATG.

 

Everyone should just wait until he "really retires." All great fighters get more recognition once they're retired and some good time passes. He will get his credit then.

 

I think he is. Chavez x2 and Whitaker are really great wins for him.

 

Let's be fair. A past-prime Whitaker made him look like a fool, and if he bothered to mount any offence would of easily won that fight. A prime Whitaker schools him. A prime Chavez knocks him the **** out.

 

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True but a win is a win.

 

That's like ranking Brian Nielsen as an ATG because he beat Larry Holmes.

 

:rofl :rofl :rofl I guess he aint an all time great in your eyes then.