Is Pacman ducking the biggest challenges & taking a path of least resistance?

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  1. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    The biggest challenges at 130 are: 1. Guzman/Soto winner, 2. JMM, 3. Guzman/Soto loser

    The biggest challenges at 135: 1. Juan Diaz/Julio Diaz winner 2. Cassamoya 3.Diaz/Diaz loser 4. Katsidis 5. Romanov 6. Raheem 7. Freitas 8. Kid Diamond

    Who does Pacman call out? David Diaz a none top 8 name at 135, which is very disapointing. Maybe he needs to test the water and I suppose DD has a belt but its not a massive challange. And Pacman will have left 130 without facing his 2 biggest challenges
     
  2. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    http://philboxing.com/news/story-13160.html



    Top Rank promoter Bob Arum says just about everybody wants to fight Filipino ring idol Manny Pacquiao but a decision will only be made sometime in mid November, possibly after November 17. By that date Pacquiao would know the winners of the November 3 title defense of WBC super featherweight champion Juan Manuel Marquez against Rocky Juarez and the November 17 battle between WBO 130 pound title holder Joan Guzman and Humberto Soto.

    In an overseas telephone conversation with Viva Sports/Manila Standard Today from New York, Arum said “we are going to be making a decision around there, who he will fight.” The decision would possibly be made when Pacquiao visits New York for the battle between Miguel Cotto and Sugar Shane Mosley at Madison Square Garden on November 10.

    Arum disclosed he would be meeting with the HBO people and said “we are going to get a date for him (Pacquiao) in early March.” He said we are
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    Arum said Roach may want Pacquiao to go up to 135 pounds in which case one of the “possible opponents would be David Diaz for the WBC lightweight title.” Diaz is the fighter who scored a thrilling but close unanimous decision over Erik “El Terrible” Morales last August 4.
     
  3. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes, i think he is picking the most vulnerable champ at 135. no excuses there. some people say that he's doing it for his friend EM but all that's bullcrap. he wants a belt and the easiest way to get it while still having a sellable ppv is david diaz. look at the other champs at 135 and 130. others like mzonke fana won't sell as opponents and others like guzman and juan diaz are big risks.

    david diaz present the best risk;reward ratio IMO.

    and by the way, i disagree with your rankings. jmm is the top challenge at 130 and casamayor is the toughest matchup at 135 for pac. and if you really think about it, raheem should be higher in that list because he is just all wrong for pac.
     
  4. bulakenyo

    bulakenyo Am I a boxing fan yet? Full Member

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    he said he can still swing from 130 to 135 and back again anytime.

    he's scheduled to fight 4 times next year. he's gonna have at the very least 2 super fights next year and 2 tune-ups.

    If we fans get lucky, he may have 3 or 4 super fights.

    And Marquez is on one of those fights, guaranteed.
     
  5. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    let's wait... like they said they will be announcing pac's opponent mid november. It seems like everybody wants a piece of the pacman.
     
  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He needs Marquez in my view.
     
  7. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    of course they do. it will guarantee them their biggest check ever, would catapult their careers if they won, and would be respected if they survived. wanting a fight against pac is a no brainer
     
  8. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Until those guys you listed done something remarkable to reach Pac's stardom level, Pac can fight whoever he wants from hereon and not being accused of ducking anybody. Pac has fought top guys after top guys and big names in the sport and he wages war in the ring, he doesn't just jab, grab and run for 36 minutes.

    If you are asking why Pac is not taking the hardest fights all the time, why don't you ask the same question to the guys you listed.

    Out of all of them, the only ones worthy of Pac's time in terms of resume is probably Casa and Guzman (if he beats Soto). But these 2 have to gain a solid market base to be worthy of a Pac fight.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This here is what every superstar ducker ever has said to himself.

    Oscar, for all his faults, has used his stardom to seek out challanges. Pacman should do the same. If he doesn't, he can retire as far as I am concerned.

    Gulf in class between our best fighters and their competition is the biggest drag on boxing (Calzaghe etc.).

    The guys most worthy of respect are the guys who take on the best, like Pac has. Long may that continue.
     
  10. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes he is. so far i only seen him beat up on faded/shot latin legends!!

    why doesnt he take on a prime fighter like valero or guzman??
     
  11. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Really? Is that why Oscar fought Castillejo and Vargas instead of Winky Wright to get a 154 belt? Or fought Sturm (which everybody thought was a patsy at that time) to get a 160 lb belt?

    I am not dissing DLH's level of opposition but he hardly fought up and comers. He chose to fight big name fighters throughout his career that warrants him the biggest purses.

    Pac has been fighting top guys. Right after MAB, he went straight to JMM and after one tune up fight, fought a very tough versions of Morales 3X. Before MAB, Pac fought many tough fighters like Sasakul, Hussein, Ledwaba. You cannot expect Pac (who already has a lot of wear and tear mileage on him) to entertain just about any fighter who is thought to beat him. They have to earn it, plain and simple. Take a look at JMM, who the fukk has he fought his entire career? Except for Pac, the 2nd biggest name in his resume is a faded MAB whom not many people are giving Pac credit for beating again recently. And amny thought MAB beat JMM.

    I say let Jmm fight the winner of Guzman-Soto and after that, the winner has the right to ***** if Pac doesn't fight him.
     
  12. retriever

    retriever Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i think its the other way around. But they need to fight.
     
  13. psychopath

    psychopath D' "X" Factor Full Member

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    Brotha look at it on the other point of view . . .
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    Pac will go up to 135 and fight David Diaz. . . his first fight at the division is against a belt holder not against a HYPED UP patsy.

    The way you talk . . . as if Pacquaio is not entittled to make a tune up fight before he takes on the real big ones. :D :lol:

    Now at 130? He already declared that the winner of JMM/Juarez and or Valero is being considered. It all depends on the negotiation . . . if it doesn't push through that doesn't necessarilly mean the guy is taking a path of least resistance. It's because of failed negotiations. :yep
     
  14. LogDog69

    LogDog69 Active Member Full Member

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    I know there are certain fights that Pac should take but he can't fight every opponent that everyone wants him to fight in one night, hell he can't even do that in one year. If he would have fought Marquez in his last fight instead of Barrera, there would be people that would have said, "He's ducking Barrera, he doesn't want to take the rematch because he knows he beat Barrera when he was at his most vulnerable." Let's just see who he chooses for his next few opponents and pass our permanent judgement after that. I would personally prefer to see him fight Casa, Juan, or Marquez more than I'd like to see him fight David Diaz but let's just see what happens.
     
  15. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was MAB a faded legend when Pac faced him? Why was he ranked top 5 p4p and 4-1 favourite? Was JMM a faded legend? Last I heard he was the champ and the most dangerous fight for Pac at 126. Was Morales a faded legend? Last I heard he was favourite for their first fight or atleast 50/50. On the rematch, which had to happen as he lost it was also 50/50 on the odds. The 3rd fight happened for one simple reason, to finish the trilogy and the MAB fight had to happen because of money and to give MAB his last fight wish.

    Between MAB1, JMM, Morales 1 & 2 he was known to be taking on the hardest and toughest challenge out there. The fights that followed couldnt be avoided.