Is Pacman ducking the biggest challenges & taking a path of least resistance?

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  1. pejevan

    pejevan inmate No. 1363917 Full Member

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    Double standards always exist in any avenue of life, may it be boxing or any other pursuit. And the higher the expectation, the more this exist.

    If you look at Pacman's (not even a legitimate belt holder) last few fights (MAB, EM, Larios,JMM, Solis), anybody in that resume would beat a B+ fighter unprepared.

    In contrast, Joan Guzman, the reigning WBO champion, fought the likes of Sanchez (3 years retired prior to that fight with last fight against Pac in a foulfest ), Joe Morales, Fernando Beltran, Jandaeng, Jauregui, Barrios, and Davis. Despite all of these fights being in defense of his WBO title, no one seems question the issue of quality.

    JMM, the WBA and IBF featherweight champion, despite being billed "great" and some would say greater than both EM and MAB skillwise, had mediocre opponents for his Title defenses after the Pac fight. He fought the likes of Salido, Jandaeng, polo, John (totally unknown prior to the "rumble in indonesian parking lot" fight), Jaca.

    I won't even mention Valero, the third one who holds another belt because there is really nothing to write in regards to opposition.

    Yet when Pac fought Solis, a respectable 32-0-2 fighter, so much ruckus was raised (try counting the threads raised in ESB). What people could not comprehend that it was a tune-up fight, similar to the Larios fight. Although those were just tune-up fights (probably a misnomer because I believe only champions have tune-up fights), larios and Solis were no pushover. It seemed that everybody wants Pac to fight fighters the caliber of EM, MAB or JMM all the time.
     
  2. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i wonder how many of those 32 were tomato cans. at least larrios fought reasonable opposition. solis is a nobody with a padded record. he may have 32 wins but i know that the defining moment of his career was getting to the ring and losing against pac
     
  3. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. Also, Morales was the clear favorite in Pac vs Morales 2. I know because I bet and won.
     
  4. Stovepipe

    Stovepipe Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Untrue. These fighters may not be the top dogs but they are far from tomato cans

    Hector Marquez (twice)
    Nicky Bentz
    Orlando Soto
    Cristobal Cruz
    Wilson Alcorro (one win and one draw)
     
  5. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I really don't think the least resistance is to move up with weight and fight other p4p fighters over there.

    Diaz/Diaz/Casamayor/Katsidis are more challenging than Marquez/Guzman/Soto.

    PAC beat already two most challenging fighters in Morales and Barrera,
    he fully deserve to take path he wants.

    BtW, you just hater thats all.

    It would be great however if PAC fight Guzman some day.
     
  6. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    :party
    this post comes only like christmas .
     
  7. theunderdog

    theunderdog Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so that's 7 fights against contenders at best. look closely at the other fighters that solis took on. llok how ugly their records are ugly. fighting guys with records of 22-27, 0-17, 22-17, 16-14 really is not insipring.
     
  8. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    To be fair, Solis is a good fighter in the 126lb division and should win a title or two there. He doesn't carry 130 well.....and his resume is average.
     
  9. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    perfect! :good
     
  10. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Real challenge is Guzman and Marquez but is also even bigger at 135 lb.
    RIght now its for me 50/50 whether PAC wants stay at 130 and clear up the division
    or move at 135 and try to do damage over there.

    The only PAC fight I like to see at 130 is with Guzman right now.
     
  11. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    1 win and 1 draw is still a bum to me. my god, he's only starting out. do you want me to name boxers who started with a win then followed it with a lot of losses?
    not that i'm discrediting solis he had a good bro. in ulysses but for me: he still got a lot to prove.
    and that pac fight certified that even more.
     
  12. pejevan

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    It does not matter how many were tomato cans. It was a tune-up fight, a keep-busy fight. It was not even a championship fight. I believe that PAC is entitled to have an easy fight. The fights prior to Solis were Morales,MAB, JMM, Larios. If you have a schedule like that,your career in the ring would not be long. Even MAB, EM, or Roberto Duran had not fought that quality of opponents in succession.

    Pac could have chosen a 23-8-2 fighter (like Salido), or a 51-12-2 (like Jauregui) fighter or a 32-10-5 fighter and he would still receive the same degree of flak. Yet he chose a 32-0-2 fighter whose resume might not glitter as EM, MAB, JMM or even Larios, yet a very live opponent.

    They already knew that they would defeat This Solis guy and it can be seen by the physical conditioning of PAc in that fight. But that is what a tune-up fights' purpose is, so that people will ot forget that you exist. Solis gave a good account of himself in that fight until that headbutt occurred.
     
  13. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Bro when Oscar and Vargas signed on for a fight with each other Vargas had been calling him out for years,was a superstar and had already beaten Wright who had just beaten Robert Fraizer for a vacant belt. If Oscar wouldve lets say went after a fight with Daniel Santos at 154 for a belt right after Winky beat Shane for a 2nd fight then you couldve talked some smack. A fight with Wright then was pointless when a fight with Vargas was meant to be and was a huge success. I think Sturm was cause he had the 1 world title Hopkins didnt have and Oscar figured ill beat this unknown to grab the belt and a win heading into the mega fight with Hopkins.
     
  14. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The only unfinished bussines is with Marquez, but I guess it was a draw
    so untill Marquez is calling loudly after PAC then the problem doesn't exist.

    MAB was recently more interested fighting PAC than Marquez,
    so If PAC wants go up then he should be just cheered up in this effort.
    It is not an easy task ... Morales just found this out two times.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    And this part completely debunks the other part of the argument that DLH didn't give shots to up and comers. Sturm got more notoriety in that fight no matter what DLH's motives were.

    BTW, this whole "he isn't worthy of fighting Pacman" and he "has to earn his shot" is crap. The other side of that is this: if a belt holder who is unbeaten and in the same weight class hasn't earned it, then whomever Pacman fights at that weight class has earned it HOW?

    That said, give Pacman time. It seems he is keeping his options open at both 130 and 135. He hopefully will take on the top fighters in whatever division he's in. But please, no more of this "He hasn't earned a shot at Pacman" crap. The standards being set when this is said means that NO ONE is worthy, leaving Pacman open to fight whom?