Is Pacquiao a top 10 ATG?

There are certainly ten boxers in history better than the PacMan

 

I never said he did. But MW was not prime either.

Moore is far bigger than Mayweather, so of course he's gonna win, but that's besides the point, he's not more skilled.

It's not his style to take risks.

No it isn't, it just what some nostalgics like you believe.
Like it or not, modern boxers are better. There are few exceptions of boxers that could compete in any era, but they are the exception, not the norm.
In terms of achievements and winning percentage, Grebb is one of the greatest, but if you watch his sparring footage, he looks like a poor joke that would get his ass beat by an amateur nowadays.

Of course they don't, he'd beat both on the same night.

 

You really are a special kind of ******, ain't ya?

 

Pac man has EARNED everything he has achieved by the use of Blood, Sweat & Tears. In my book he's streets ahead of Mayweather who has had every advantage known to man both legal & illegal. You name an advantage & he sure got it& it was done BLATANTLY in Vegas . With IV gate Mayweather broke THREE of the NSAC's own rules regarding the use of IV's. What happened though??? Bob Bennett Head honcho of the NSAC issued the statement " Mr Mayweather did nothing wrong so we will not be investigating" ROFL Then came the final straw issuing him a TUE for the Saline he'd illegally received THREE WEEKS EARLIER !!! They all should really be jailed

 

Do all of you have to resort to insulting when u don't have any arguments left ?

 

Oh I do, I could completely destroy your post if you'd like. I just realized it's probably futile and decided to laugh at you.

 

Please do, all knowledgeable one.

 

Okay then, don't say I didn't warn you.

No, you implied it. No one is saying Mayweather was a spring chicken, but his win over Pacquiao is about as impressive as Charles' over Louis given that both would go on to be among the best in their divisions afterwards but were both considerably past it.

I didn't say that. I said Moore is a better win than Mayweather has. Which is true. Unless of course, you think Mayweather has a better win (which is laughably wrong). Pacquiao is the only fighter who's remotely close to how good a prime Moore was, and when Pacquiao had come off a career damaging fight with Margarito to be KTFO'd by JMM, then further depreciated before fighting Floyd; means it's not a good win.

I didn't say this either. Stop spinning my words.

I didn't say this either... can you read? I said:
"Who gives a **** if he didn't lose? All of his best wins are against guys as old as his Nana or green and drained. He didn't take the risks Ezz did and it shows."

Mayweather didn't take risks vs prime opposition above 135. Charles took on EVERYONE. Be it Charley Burley, Archie Moore or Rocky Marciano. He wasn't arsed, hence why he won some and lost some. Either way, he won far more than he lost and has a much better résumé than Mayweather. Everyone in the know has Charles > Mayweather. Look at this:

Max Kellerman’s list:
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Henry Armstrong
3. Muhammad Ali
4. Harry Greb
5. Sam Langford
6. Pernell Whitaker
7. Roberto Duran
8. Willie Pep
9. Benny Leonard
10. Ezzard Charles

Matt McGrain':
1. Sam Langford
2. Harry Greb
3. Sugar Ray Robinson
4. Henry Armstrong
5. Ezzard Charles
6. Bob Fitzsimmons
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Joe Gans
9. Joe Louis
10. Roberto Duran

Scotty L's:
https://www.predictem.com/boxing/best-pound-for-pound-fighters-of-all-time-the-top-10/

There's 3 historians with Charles higher, and that was off one Google search.

It hasn't. That's just hippie **** that people chuck around to back up their arguments. How has boxing evolved drastically from the 40s? If anything the average champion has gotten worse. Since there's more of them now.

I'm a nostalgic? How? Mayweather was the first fighter I watched live... and I was 4... No. That's not it, you're just ridiculously uneducated when it comes to these discussions. You called Argüello and Rodriguez bums and said Tyson was greater... stop trying and learn.

Like I said. This is bull****. If you can tell me why I'll listen, but many have said this before and not one has made sense.

Okay, let's say this is true... Charles beat the exceptions. All of them. Mayweather avoided the best of his era untill he was past his prime.

What does this have to do with anything? It's literally completely irrelevant.

Also, in that footage Greb is playing around with a 50 year old ATG. It's like basing your opinion of Ali off the sparring footage with Cus D'amato without watching a single fight and ignoring the rest of his career.

Furthermore, Greb was 30 years before Charles, and in that time they implemented a whole new set of rules.

How about you stop embarrassing yourself, go and watch these fighters, learn how styles work and showing yourself up? That a boy.

 

I don’t need your help for anything. Floyd has complied with all requirements of the Great Nevada State Athletics Commission the best commission in the world. They have shown he is clean and above board. I am not debating Conor McGregor who is not even a boxer and irrelevant.

 

We are the A side we use USADA and dictate the terms period! Pacquiao had to comply eventually. Pacquiao refused in 2009 to blood testing is documented so when you accuse of nut hugging you come across as hypocritical.
Like I have said I like both guys but knew Floyd was better.

 

True which is my point. This takes nothing away from the great Pacquiao.

 

Pac sits in the top 20, top 25 range.

 

Most hilarious response ever. You were losing all the battles and now you've lost the war.

Like I said, man. It's your right to hand out free passes and ignore the fact that Floyd is a drug cheat... just own it.

 

Is it true what he said, though?

 

Glad you found it funny. Cannot begrudge you that. It adds to the gaiety of the nation. I have lost nothing. Your argument is based on Floyd choosing USADA instead of VADA. Floyd is the boss so he chooses the body full stop. That’s what you call A side power moves. Floyd has never failed a drugs test and neither has he refused to have one because he is scared of needles.