Is Pacquiao impossible?-Why Steroid accusations are baseless?

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  1. pasky2000

    pasky2000 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So which is it ? You make two different claims.

    First you say it's about Manny keeping the same performance and workrate and power.

    Then you answer that it's true manny doesn't show one punch KO power going up in weight, therefore power becomes irrelevant.

    Then you start using Paul Williams as an example, that would go all the way to heavyweight and be dominant as a ripped 225lbs fighter...so therefore you bounce right back to the size argument although you initially agreed with the thread starter...

    So what is it now ? It's all just making you look like like you're ready to twist anything in order to push forward the agenda of Manny truly being on PEDs.....and that's the bottom line !!
     
  2. dvb

    dvb Well-Known Member Full Member

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    people dont want to recongnise and give credit to pacs improved technique especially with his right hand,and facing slower easier to hit fighters than before just allowed him to be more effective with his punches,most of them counters that the other guy doesnt see.not so much big power shots.

    speed is his power,technique is his power!.not him being heavy handed or different all of a sudden,its not like he was scrawny and never stopped no one,to the next fight being massive and knocking people out with 1 punch non counter punches.


    also simple fact is the older you get the more you grow into your body!.

    pac wasnt even eating proper meals when he started boxing aswell.

    also when he isnt weight draining he has more energy and more power,weighin in and fighting at a close weight means he has better chance of having more power coupled with improved technique and slower fighters too.

    truth is floyd has risen through the weights too and still has great speed and some good power. just floyd didnt have to drain himself as much,but has gotten bigger through age and growing naturally. he must weight a lot more on fight night when they dont weigh him in on any scales.

    fools dont want to give any smart argument on how pac has suddenly unexplainable changed!
    they just nit pick at tiny points and bog down with tic for tac bitching and talking rubbish.
     
  3. FutureChampGG

    FutureChampGG Member Full Member

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    The basis is that he's refusing to agree to random drug testing for no good reason at all. How can anyone not see that as suspicious? If the allegations are so baseless/stupid etc why not, for the sake of a huge career defining mega money fight, agree to the tests and prove them to be wrong?
     
  4. GOW7

    GOW7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    EPO.End thread
     
  5. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because.....HIS HEAD has gotten seriously bigger!

    The body gets bigger when you go up in weight,.. BUT NOT YOUR HEAD!!!

    Name a fighter whose head gets bigger when he goes up in weight!!!

    ODLH head was big when he was a jr lightweight. It didn't grow when he fought Hopkin at middle..

    Pac head has gotten huge.
     
  6. kolokomandos

    kolokomandos GLASS IS NOT AN OPTION Full Member

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    Everyone who says he is on roids is a fat ass troll who sits all his life infront of pc or when possibly not then you are a looser who can't compete at your best and train harder than you think of.

    If he did roids he'd get detected sooner or later. He is pro since years. NOOBS! I know u would say money can buy everything but in this case you can't buy it since it's too high risk of being caught.
     
  7. floyd_g.o.a.t

    floyd_g.o.a.t Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    well researched!
    someday the truth will come out
     
  8. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You called me names and I am the ******? You need to grow up... just because someone questioned your hero didn't give you a right to insult them.. but again you have a pic of floyd's head on a chicken... why because he question your hero?!

    You shouldn't insult people who have been watching boxing longer then you have been alive..... You must of just started following boxing when Pac starting making it big.

    Looked at his fight with MAB and looked at his fight last fight. You need glasses not to see that his head is bigger.
     
  9. raxman

    raxman Member Full Member

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    for me the size of pac has never been the issue. its the fact his punch resistance and power has increased so much - he's rocked by JMM but not by Cotto! the information stated here makes it even more suspicious because it means pac has weighed the same in both jmm and cotto fights - does this mean that jmm hits harder at 141 pounds than cotto at whatever his in ring weight was? i think this post has increased my suspicions to the point where i now think if pac continues to refuse the tests i'll consider him juicing for sure! and thats a disappointment to me.
     
  10. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Still don't buy it. Floyd Sr is much more trustworthy than actual facts.
     
  11. bonds

    bonds Active Member Full Member

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    The defense is flawed because there are so many things he could take that would not cause him to gain weight, but still increase power, speed and endurance.

    Shane Mosley took ped's and im pretty sure if he had not been caught in the BALCO scandal NO ONE would even suspect him of being a user he had no weight gain or noticeable improvements in the boxing ring. At this point the only thing that would really make the accusations baseless would be for him to take the randomized usada blood testing until the fight.

    And while it may not be evidence if you cannot see that Pacs head is getting noticeably bigger and rounder over the last few years you are clearly delusional...
     
  12. klion22

    klion22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Even Floyd's head has gotten bigger. Look at his face when he was 25 and compare to today's Floyd.
     
  13. caneman

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    A test for EPO was introduced at the 2000 Summer Olympic Games in Sydney (Australia). The test, validated by the International Olympic Committee (IOC), was based on the blood and urine matrix. A blood screening was performed first, and a urine test was then used to confirm possible use of EPO.

    In June 2003, WADA’s Executive Committee accepted the results of an independent report stating that
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    . This report, requested by WADA’s stakeholders and commissioned by the Agency to evaluate the validity of urinary and blood tests for detecting the presence of recombinant EPO, concluded that
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    . This report also recommended that urine testing be used in conjunction with
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    . Some international sports federations still use both urine and blood matrix for the detection of EPO. Recently, the urine test was adapted to blood to perform detection of some new erythropoiesis stimulating agents.


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  14. jomzky

    jomzky in your mind Full Member

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    when does rejecting additional test that's not required by the sanctioning bodies became a solid proof that a boxer is juicing? Floyd is not the LAW nor the commission to dictate what's good for the sport, rules are there in place and if it's necessary to amend that rule, they are going to change it and everybody are bound to follow it, no exception.

    If floyd has the balls to play by the rules that every living professional boxers follows, then fight Pac now or retire till NSAC changed their views regarding blood test.
     
  15. this_and_that

    this_and_that Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Right, Pac is a coward.
    And Floyd is the most courageous soul in the planet.
    See I have this bridge I want to sell you. Look me up.