Is Pacquiao really what he's made out to be???...

This is what I mean, find me a ******* post more stupid and idiotic than this. There isnt any. When someone claims a post is stupid, I want proof behind it, not speculation, saying Pac beats SRL for example isn't as stupid as this because the result is speculated. Saying DLH will murder Pac with jab alone and then be PROVEN wrong, now that is proven stupidity.

UliUli has 0 credibility when it comes to downplaying Pac.

 

okay leon.... i understand.

If pac does....
get EMBARRASSED in a shutout lost to Mayweather how much will it damage his ATG ranking? The whole his legacy can only be upped against Floyd, but not damaged is a bunch of fabricated bull****. atsch

 

very well said. :good

 

Who are you again?

 

okay...op

 

i guess uli won't man up to answer your post about oscar and roids.

still hoping though...op

 

At the lower weights pac was amazing, provided the boxing public with some really amazing fights and went at it with the best in the division...

but he has gotten way too much credit during his accent to the top of the welterweight division.

His last 5 fights have been with carefully selected opponents, handpicked fighters, good fighters but all handpicked (I have nothing against his opponent selection, his management aren't going to select fights that he is going to lose!!!, that's boxing!! and a reason why we should have more tournaments like the super 6).

The question the thread asks is whether or not we (the boxing public) give pac too much credit for his achievements then the answer is yes.

Whether or not he or is management knew oscar was over the hill or would have difficulty making weight before the fight is irrelevant.... it turned out that oscar was over the hill, and that victory doesn't weight as heavy as it would have when oscar was in or even close to his prime.

Hatton was damaged goods after mayweather, he had a good fight at against paulie and looked better than he had in years but in fairness paulie was very poor that night. Hatton with his swinging style was taylor made for pacman. That was a good pick by freddie.

Cotto was not the same since margarito, period. Plus to fight at 145 for a 147 belt is ridiculous really. Great name on pacs cv though.

Clottey, first real welterweight pac fought. Lost in last match to cotto. Didn't really fight on fight night, when he did pacs defence didn't look all that great. The clottey fight proved to me that a slick counter puncher easily beats pac.

While he is a great talent, an exciting fighter and a global superstar that we should all be proud of as a face of boxing, Pac gets way too much credit for his recent rise through the weights

 

Almost as embarrassing as when he made a thread about (falsely) defending Shane Mosley from the *******s after one comment a Pac fan made. He was humiliated in that thread since no one fell for it.

That after saying Mosley was on roids at every opportunity and generally disliking him.

 

the thing is, I often agree with the outside factors contributing to his opponents losses, but he's beating top fighters too consistently to not be considered great. I agree he lost to Marquez twice, but that doesn't mean his talent and skill haven't allowed him to face a long list of competent fighters on his way up, regardless of their age and weight. Nobody wins by fluke this much at the level of competition he's faced.

 

oscar was caught long time ago.

oscaroid was tested already and had the result hidden in the streroid cabinet waiting to be pulled out. since there is patient/doctor/insurance confidentiality long time ago when he was budding star and testing results are not really made public, oscaroid was saved. however when this pacquiao mayweather fight went to the drain because of PED testing and oscaroid was adamant of this testing, someone who knows him dared him to reveal his steroid testing long time ago and he chickened out.

you know when someone refuses to sign the waiver he is hiding something.
:yep:hey

 

Where have you been noob?

You're late in your trolling:tired

 

Unfortunately you over analyze Manny's ring accomplishments and miss out on being able to truly apprecate his success. Not that it's out of the norm....all the greats before Manny have had the same problems. Fans of other fighters or fans who feel they know much more than they actually do look at greats careers and begin to over analyze their opponents....rationalizing why they are as good as they are b/c in many cases a lot of what the ELITE and true greats do is simply amazing.

Cotto actually is a better fighter after Marg....for the pure fact that he fights with less agression and with that less wrecklessly. He still has the killer instinct but now is a much more intelligent fighter. His confidence going in with Manny was very high to say the least.

DLH was and has been over the hill. ****...he was over the hill when he faught a very close, competitive fight with FLoyd a year earlier. But that still didn't take away that DLH was the supreme favorite and was the bigger man. Manny had to jump 2 weight classes and DLH had to drop one.

Hatton wasn't damaged goods brah... B/c Rick got KO'd he was damaged? He didn't take much punishment in the fight...it was a perfect punch that ended the night...in a fight that Floyd considered to be his TOUGHEST Test. Not to mention PAC faught Ricky at 140...JR WW. Where Ricky is at his best fighting weight.

At 147 where Floyd fought Ricky.....that was NOT his ideal weight... But Ricky challenged Floyd...and he went to his weight class to challenge himself in a division where he DID NOT BELONG! That was proven with his initial fight at 147.

Ricky is tailor made for PAC...true...but he was also tailor made for Floyd. Yet we saw Floyd have a tough, rough 10 round match vs. PAC having a very short and devastating early night with Ricky in only 2 rounds.

Floyd could beat Manny....his style is a nightmare for PAC. But on the flip side Manny's style is a nightmare for Floyd. this fight is truly a toss up but if I had to choose....I think Manny beats Floyd. Why? b/c Floyd who is at his best when he's confident, which is 99% of the time, he usually dominates or wins easily. His confidence allows him to be as good as he is and gets the most out of his abilities.....with PAC....he's shown a new side....he has concerns and reservations about facing him...and for me he uses the EXCUSE that Manny has some special Philipino PEDs or A SIDE of MEFF to cover that he is worried that PAC has a very real chance and making Floyd loose that "0".

 

Balcquiaos overrated

 

Don't really get the trolling remark. Pac is a helluva fighter, he fought wildly entertaining fights against morales, barrera, marquez, solis... the best fighters at the lower weight classes Pac participated in.

His last few fights just don't add up for me when you compare them to the warriors he faced in the past

 

okay *****sito :yep anything else?