Is Pacquiao really what he's made out to be???...

Just to counter, I don't understand where you are getting that Cotto is a better fighter after marg?? I don't know what you could be basing this on - the jennings and the clottey fight?? What is your reasoning?

With oscar, yeah, I think I said that everyone expected him to win, and yes he was a huge favourite, but if the world knew what oscar would turn up on the night, would he have still been a favourite? I don't take away from Pac for taking on the fight, as you say he jumped two weight classes. I take away because de la hoya is a huge name on your cv but you didn't actually fight the oscar de la hoya we all love to watch.

I agree with all your points on ricky. Pacs stoppage was impressive. Tailor made for him yes, the fact that he is tailor made makes it any easy fight for him.

I'd love to see pac v floyd, in fairness pac has taken on every type of fighter over his career bar a great defensive fighter. I went to see him against clottey, and josh held his hands up the whole fight like he normally does, but when he let go with a counterpunch pac was easily hit. If he could beat floyd I would be amazed.

The way pac has carried his power and speed up through the weights is very impressive but the fighters he has done so against are questionable in my opinion. I hope he fights 2/3 more times, love to see him fight shane, floyd and maybe alvarez

 

If by made out to be you mean made out of PEDs, yeah, i'd say he is comprised of about 31% PEDs and 69% actual human.

 

That's it Pavlicker

 

please stop the hating. you are getting desperate. he owned you mexicans and that's the way it is!!!

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl:yep:good

 

Well if you're not a fan of Pacquiao now, you probably never will be. That's how I look at it. Pac's win over a younger and prime Cotto (age 29 at the time) is amazing. Yes he came in at 145 lbs. (2 lbs. short of welterweight), but that's still only 2 lbs. But the most amazing thing about this is that Pacquiao is a boxer who is truly a featherweight who moved up to 145 lbs. to fight the naturally bigger Cotto. Is Pac really bigger than everyone he fought at 126-135 lbs.? I always thought Morales was taller than Pac. Pac also moved up in weight to fight Barrera, and then moved up in weight again to fight Morales if my memory serves me well. Yes, he took the easiest champion at 135 lbs. (David Diaz) to win the lightweight title, but that's still a very good achievement considering the weight he's fought from. Pac's win over Clottey is a great win, and vastly underrated. Clottey is a top 5 welterweight. In all honesty, we don't know how Clottey would perform against Shane Mosley or FMJ since he hasn't fought them. Clottey took Cotto to the distance, and to some viewers earned a win or a draw. Clottey demolished Zab Judah. Clottey was in his prime when he fought and loss to Pacquiao, and fought at 147 lbs. When Pacquiao was set to fight ODLH, most experts and viewers were favoring ODLH to win, because of the size advantage, and despite ODLH having to make the 147 lb. weight limit. This goes to tell you how amazing Pac's win was. Hatton was a great legit win. Hatton is a junior welterweight, and not far from his prime (if he wasn't at his prime). Hatton's only previous loss came to FMJ. You can argue how great Hatton truly was, but Hatton was always at the top echelon at 140 lbs, and that's something no one can argue against.

The Pacquiao and FMJ fight will hopefully happen, and may the best boxer win that day. Pacquiao is not avoiding FMJ, and in fairness you have to ask the question whether FMJ is avoiding Pac? If they can settle their differences on the table, then this fight should happen. If Pac fights and beats FMJ, will all the non-Pac fans finally convert and become Pac fans??? If not, I don't know what's stopping you. But my guess is there will always be people who won't be his fans, and I guess that's okay, everyone is entitled to who they want to become fans of. But just know why you're not his fan.

 

Cotto showed a lot of skill in his fight with Manny. he was agressive early then resorted to boxing...unfortuately that wasn't enough. He (Cotto) lost to Marg and it was brutal but he learned from it...his confidence dropped a bit...but he was supremely confident taht manny wouldn't be able to stand up to his power. When he got into the same kind of position with Manny he took his boxing on the outside and didn't engage with manny showing that he's intelligent. He moved, used angles and kept manny off with the jab...now it was borderline running...but he lasted longer than DLH or Ricky. If that had of been before Marg,.....I think Cotto would have been KO'd SOONER than 12.

In all honesty people want to say "OSCAR didn't show up that night' or he was shot, drained or whatever....everyone seems to want to dismiss that Manny could have been the reason why we saw the DLH that was in the ring that night......everyone seems to have an excuse for all of Manny's wins.....Oscar included.

But it comes with the territory.....Floyd and Shane are legit challenges for manny. It hink Floyd is the hardest challenge due to his style and talent/ability...plus he's in his prime. Shane is still difficult but I think Manny would have an easier time finding and engaging with Shane than Floyd.

You really think Alverez is on Manny, Floyd and Shane's level? I mean he's a great talent but lacks the kind of experience that is needed at this level. He's definitely got power which is a plush and pretty quick. At this level anyone can loose to anyone. But you gotta go with track record...whcih is why Floyd vs PAC is tough to Call. Floyd never been beaten and PAC hasn't lost in 13 fights.

 

This. :deal


And that should have been the end of yet another pathetic General Forum thread.

 

Yeah, there's a method to Pacquiao's madness. He's not just some wild brawler with insane speed. Thie technique might not be textbook, but he knows exactly what he's doing, can think in the ring, and carries out gameplans as well as anybody today.

Pac's a legendary ATG. it's great to have such a special fighter in this era...

 

You said Pac and defense in the same sentence!

 

Yeah man. He showed complete defensive mastery avoiding the handful of punches Josh Clottey threw... atsch

You guys crack me up! :yep

 

Almost every fighter with a bad defence gets dropped and/or stopped at some point.

Pac fights on the front foot.

An even higher number of fighters who fight on the front foot but have a bad defence get dropped and/or stopped at some point.


When was the last time Pac was dropped?

When was the last time Pac was stopped?


And yet the guy has fighting high calibre opposition since 2003, at least.


I think it's time you stopped hating and started learning about this sport. :smoke