Is PBF a Top 5 ATG at LW?

I think you just contradicted yourself.

 

Floyd is easily top 5 at 130 all time, he was a beast there. Floyd was still great at 135 but he didn't do enough to be top 10 there. Duran, Whitaker, Ross, Canzoneri, Arguello, Armstrong, Williams, Gans, Leonard, and Ortiz all were more accomplished than Mayweather.

 

not even atg at 135, im sorry but 3 fights at any division doesnt get you jack. Just prolly braggin rights that he picked up a title there, but thats bout it!

 

I think talent wise he is in the dicussion but he dose not have a top 5 resumie.

 

that wasnt really a contradiction. again, i'll repeat another poster: there is no actual insight.

 

How?

Floyd was a dominant, dominant champion at 130lbs. I would be very hard pressed to think of an occassion where he lost any more than one or two rounds in any of his fights at the weight, and he faced a number of very good fighters.

Hell, even Arguello struggled at jr, lightweight. His rematch with Escalera was up in the air at the time that he uncorked the finishing left hook, he was behind on the cards against Chacon, and his fight with Castillo was dead even on the cards when he pulled out a stoppage.

Floyd didn't struggle, for the most part, in any of his defences. That's the main reason why I rate him number oneat 130 lbs.

At lightweight, it's a slightly different story. His first fight with Castillo could have gone either way (I called it a draw). He won the rematch (pretty easily, imo), and registered all of two defences over Sosa and Ndou...who were solid contenders. Not bad...but not exactly worthy of consideration for an ATG rating based on accomplishments.

So...where's the contridiction?

 

Yeah...what he said.

I just should have waited for you to respond, kg...it would have saved me a hell of a lot of typing.

 

Of course not. He wasn't there long enough.

Although Castillo might be a Top25 Lightweight of all time.

If you're looking for a division where Floyd is the greatest....look at 130.

 

maybe he can answer for himself. atsch

 

you said "because I think he might have been a bit more dominant"

then you said you rank based on accomplishement, those two statements are a pretty clear contradiction.

 

One of the greatest at light jr ever. Was a monster at Light jr, to be honest and beat every name brand fighter, everyone that was A+ or Elite at the time. Was the time I was really a fan of Floyd then, had great power, great handspd, and great defense.

 

Oh, dear. It's pretty bad when you have to resort to semantics in order to bolster a pretty weak case.

At130lbs., PBF might have been a bit more dominant than Arguello, in so far as he virtually shut out all of his opponents at the weight. That's a claim that even Arguello and Chavez couldn't make.

At 130lbs., based on accomplishments, dominance, and, to an extant, head-to-head, I would rate him as my #1 fighter all time.

At 135lbs,, based on accomplishments, I don't rate PBF among the all time greats, based on his limited number of fights.

So, you've taken statements that relate to two entirely seperate elements of my post, and lumped them together.

That, sir, isn't an example of me issuing a contradictory staement...that's an example of you quoting me out of context.