is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

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  1. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    How would you know how they measure up, most of those guys on Nelson's resume would have gotten thier ass kicked by flash elorde or sugar ramos in the 1960s and would have never won a lineal belt, its easier to look greater when you have some bogus abc beltstrap around your waist.

    You love adding draws or close losses to the resume of your favourite fighters, but now its being dismissed, youve never seen the fight. You want to dismiss it ok, then take oscar off pernell's resume.
     
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  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And you left out the conclusion: and therefore the Nelson win isn't better than any of Floyd's or Pac's wins. :lol:

    You have a few points going on I think:

    1. Whitaker isn't as good as Napoles

    2. Whitaker doesn't have better wins than Floyd or Pac but I'm too much of a dunce to mount the case

    3. Beating bigger fighters is better than beating better, smaller fighters (but ****, the Vasquez win makes me look like a dick for mentioning this, so best to isolate the welterweight division whilst making my case)

    4. Trolling is fun
     
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  3. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You put too much stock in winning the lineal title.

    The man makes the belt. Any knowledgeable fan doesn't even need to consider straps.
     
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  4. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Cokes didnt need someone to move up in weight, he beat the top guy of his own size and beat everyone there for 3 years before Napoles kicked his behind. Thats not a big deal though because napoles is much better than azumah nelson anyways.
     
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  5. Flea Man

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    Agreed. Anyone that ranks an opponent based on then holding an ABC title gets scrutinised and the lineal belt isn't always the main thing to take into account.

    I mean, were Cerdeno, Kobayashi, Magri, can't remember how they overlap, but either way, better than Lacier when he was WBA (non lineal) flyweight champ? No, it took Chitalada to make that 'lineage' legit' again.
     
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  6. Flea Man

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    Again, what are you trying to argue? You're a rambling buffoon and coming from me that's a harsh assessment.
     
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  7. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    He beat everyone in the division from 1965-1968, then lost to napoles. Im sure cokes at his peak finished much higher in the p4p lists, nelson has never been in the top 5 p4p, always on the bottom half. In dont remember nelson winning his belt from pedroza or sanchez, he won a vacated belt.
     
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  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why are you mentioning Flash Elorde and Sugar Ramos when you're giving me fortunata monca francois pavilla? Nelson would ream the intestines out of those guys.

    Ramos and Elorde are excellent fighters, and Nelson would hold his own with them.

    Ok, take it away (despite the fact that it was held in front of the Oscar fan club, the exact opposite of the situation for Cokes before Lane). Whitaker's resume is still decent. :good
     
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  9. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bingo. The path of the lineal title only travels along the roads the champs are willing to take to defend it. All to often, in fact, rampantly in boxing history, that is not his most talented, feared counterparts.
     
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  10. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't count wins the judges don't count. I've never included Oscar in an analysis of Pea's greatness. It's more important for the study of his skill.
     
    MagnaNasakki, Nov 1, 2012
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  11. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Im responding to whatever replies you make ya ******. Im arguing whitaker is overrated in terms of accomplishments and his resume is far closer to a mayweather than it is to duran, yet hes regarded on durans level of greatness while mayweather gets treated like hes 3 levels below whitaker. Oh wow whitaker beat mcgirt, nelson and chavez. Pac and Mayweather cant touch his greatness:lol: Most overrated fighter on the internet.
     
    ushvinder, Nov 1, 2012
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  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who gives a ****. Wasn't Livingstone Bramble top 5 at one point? Nelson would beat him. Even AT lightweight :good
     
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  13. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Nelson beats contenders at 140 and 147, keep dreaming, he kept himself at 130 because he couldnt beat anyone above that weight.
     
    ushvinder, Nov 1, 2012
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  14. MagnaNasakki

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    JCV was one of the best three junior middleweights for years. Undermining one of his own arguments.
     
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  15. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah who gives a **** that cokes was the best for 3 years at welterwight, lets praise nelson for defending his alpha soup garbage.
     
    ushvinder, Nov 1, 2012
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