is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

It depends on the circumstances.

Is it harder for Sugar Ray Leonard to beat a lightweight in Roberto Duran, or a middleweight in Marvin Hagler?

I'd agree about Perkins. Of course, Eddie reckons he beat Jose.

Yeah, well that's a big if. A tough fighter like Ortiz could be just the sort that could bust Napoles up over 15 rounds.

Worse fighters did it, did they not? (Backus, LC Morgan).

 

Going over old territory pal, I've already admitted his 147 feats are better than Whitaker's.

Though as I said, if you grant that Whitaker held his own against Oscar you can see Whitaker in a more positive light at 147. If you think he won, as some do, myself included, you can see him in an ever more positive light.

 

Ortiz was also one of the great all-rounders.

Now he'll be denouncing Elorde as a 'blown up flyweight who did **** all above 130', surely? What about Laguna, the bantamweight who couldn't beat Saldivar at feather(ish) because of course we don't give Pea 'winners kudos' for Oscar so not for Ismael over Saldivar either. Buchanan never lost to Laguna AND was the only man to stop Ortiz therefore Buchanan>Ortiz>Pea>Pea>Roy

Ortiz's lightweight reign was ****.

 

Joe Brown was at the end of his days too. Ortiz got exposed by Buchanan if we're serious.

 

I was editing some typos when I came to that conclusion myself.

'Old Bones' was just that. Why I never mentioned him.

 

Good for you. Many others don't see it so clear cut.

Oscar landed the harder shots, but he got outlanded and outjabbed despite his reach and got a knockdown against him too.

ANd when all is said and done, Oscar's hard shots didn't really land clean.

The fight is a matter of interpretation of course, I'm not going to try and convince you of it. If you think Oscar won, fair enough. But to say that anyone that thinks different from you is wrong makes you seem a little naive.

 

His championship reign was illegitimate. Loi was his daddy.

 

Boxing is judged subjectively.

To discuss it as if it is objective is a fools errand, indeed.

 

I had pea winning that fight myself. Close competitive fight no doubt.. but a past his best Whitaker's class was shown to be above a Prime DHL imo.

A guy who acts like McGirt was some journeyman who would be tooled by Cotto, Ortiz and Bradley is kinda hard to argue with.

 

Pretty much. Ortiz isn't even an elite fighter. He's just not really all that quality. Just a step above a good fringe contender.