is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ushvinder, Oct 31, 2012.


  1. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Pryor was always off balance.:D
     
  2. Flea Man

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    I know, exactly why him looking even worse against a shot punch bag is even more worrying.

    I think Pacquiao would starch Pryor.
     
  3. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Flea didn't you pick Pryor to give Armstrong hell? Is that a styles things?
     
  4. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Ive read accounts of the fight from other sources, but i am not allowed to talk about 'other sources' on esb. By all accounts people who watched it thought it was a close fight, but no robbery. By the way yes duran does think he clearly beat hagler, even though he didnt, but again im not gonna list the website, do your own research on it. Chavez also thinks he beat pernell. Fighters opinion on thier own fights is taken with a grain of salt.

    Also lol at you accusing napoles of not fighting carlos oritz. Everyone that I have talked to who were around back then have basically stated Carlos Ortiz and his management was the chicken that wanted no part of mantequilla, and quite frankily i dont blame him. Napoles was avoided like the plague by other lightweights, i dont need to prove this, its a well known phenomena by anyone that was around back then. Duva would avoid him too.
     
  5. Flea Man

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    I picked Pryor to win a decision 4 years ago. Yesterday I went for Armstrong to be too much for him :good
     
  6. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ah. That happens. Four years ago I would've picked Lopez to knock Chang out. Now he's just winning.a close decision.

    How'd this thread get 30 pages so fast with no tangents?
     
  7. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe you :good

    Did he say he got robbed by Hagler?

    Never heard him say he got robbed.


    Depends which fighter and depends how it's said. That Perkins was vehement about that fight above all the other jobbings he got makes me wonder.

    Without proof though, I won't push the argument further.

    Given the calibre of fighters Ortiz was facing, that sounds highly credible.

    But hey, in your sources we trust.

    Yeah Duva was known for making his fighters duck other fighters.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    :twisted:
     
  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How can someone watch Pea fight all time greats.. and dominate them and not help but think he's one of the best fighters to ever lace them up. I'm honestly amazed how someone couldn't come to that conclusion. Personally, I think he's one of the best fighters ever that we have a lot of film on. Top 5 for me.
     
  10. ushvinder

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    I dont know what your trying to accomplish here, its clear cut ESB rules that you are not allowed to mention other websites on this forum. There have been many discussion about jose napoles on the internet, his fight with eddie perkins isnt viewed as a robbery, then again you yourself dont have any proof so i dont need to add anything.

    Regarding carlo ortiz, well its well known that jose napoles was denied a title shot. Your acting like im in a court room and have to proof it. Heck every video i watch online about jose napoles fights, the people go on and on about how carlos ortiz dodged him and wanted nothing to do with him. Yea they sure have a hidden agenda towards carlos. Heck, why dont you just ask posters that lived through the 1960's, napoles wasnt given title shots before 1969. So yeah it is laughable to accuse him of not fighting certain guys when he wouldnt be given title shots. Regardless his resume is better anyways and im more impressed with him on film than i am with whitaker, he can box, move and knock people the **** out, whitaker had to be a defensive wizard because he couldnt crack people. Heck I have Joe Frazier's book: box like the pros. he talks on and on about how the sport became corrupted in the 1960s and fighters were being robbbed opportunities to fight for titles.
     
  11. ushvinder

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    it may have been an aging cervantes, but antonio was still winning all his fights and was still able to win a few fights after this one. Im not denying whitaker is more accomplished than aaron, but when i watch fights of both, I always picture pryor winning. He would have the mental edge in the pre-fight and i just dont see whitaker keeping him off for 12 rounds and just outboxing him, especially 15 rounds. I am allowed to have my opinion and I just see pryor being a bad matchup for pernell.
     
  12. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mental edge WTF.. When did anybody win the metal edge against pea? He was a calm cool and collected as they come. Nobody dictated the fight to pea and out generalshiped him in his prime or really after. Yet you say Pryor is going to win the mental game.. Ummm okay...
     
  13. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Yea because who he fights in his own career determines how he would react to someone so indimidating as the hawk.
     
  14. sweet_scientist

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    You can PM me a link to a source if you'd like. Or you could mention the website any way in a slightly different way so that it doesn't get edited out. Or you can just say who actually said it (which journalist).

    Did he ever fight his way to no.1 contender status at lightweight?

    I don't think Ring rated him there for long either did they? He was rated more at 140.

    How many great wins did he actually have at the lightweight limit to force a fight with Ortiz anyway?

    I can see why they wouldn't do him any favours and throw him a fight as he's a high risk, but it's not like Napoles did everything he could to get a title shot there.

    Had he become the no.1 contender I'm sure Ortiz would have obliged.

    Fact is though, Napoles didn't really have that great a resume at 135 to make him a must to fight.

    Had he chosen to fight exclusively there instead of going up to fight guys at 140, I'm sure he'd have eventually got a title shot against Ortiz.

    That Ortiz was facing so many quality fighters, I don't see why he'd be scared to face Napoles.



    You should like someone like Chavez then.

    He can box, he can knock people out, he has a very good resume, and he doesn't cut up like Jose and lose to the likes of Billy Backus in his prime.

    Fought a heap of times too, so he has excuses to lose to average fighters, just like Jose does. He didn't though :good
     
  15. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's all opinions and speculation and you're entitled to think what you like.

    Now whether there's good evidence for thinking what you think is another story.

    I don't think there is.

    Pryor is a better swarmer than anyone Pernell has faced, but there's no evidence that Whitaker stylistically has a problem with that style or anything.

    It's still ok to guess that Pryor would be a handful and beat Whitaker up. There's no really good evidence for it is all I'm saying.