is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ushvinder, Oct 31, 2012.


  1. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Always lose? He had 4 losses in his first 12 years and 3 were avenged, 1 was as a teenager. Yeah you sure know what the **** your talking about. I mean his challengers elorde, ramos and laguna never had losses.
     
  2. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah thats how hes treated, i dont have to find quotes, i can just read through the site. Im not in court and on trial. Whitaker gets overrated more than anyone. Go, pick a style that gives whitaker hell everytime? Tell me a style of boxer that would give him major problems. Answer that before you try and get on my ass. I see him struggling badly against great boxer-punchers and athletic swarmers, but no even the great pernell will be godly against them. Who am I to question his highly overrated resume, god have mercy on me.
     
  3. Hands of Iron

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  4. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taylor at the point Chavez met him was a better fighter than Cokes imo and definitely better than Carlos Hernandez.

    Taylor put on one of the most brilliant performances in the last 25 years in that fight, and that CHavez still managed to get the win, as controversial as it was, is still highly praise worthy.

    Taylor didn't look like he was going to answer Richard Steele if Steele waited another second after his second question. Even though another ref might have let it go on, I think Taylor was done and it was a fair call.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    On the styles front the only thing you've said is Whitaker would lose to Napoles and Pryor on the basis of his resume being worse than Napoles'.

    You've never actually provided any career based facts to show why Whitaker would lose to those guys.

    You simply assume that had he faced better fighters he would have lost.

    That's the extent of your argument.

    Also also the chestnut about pure boxers "naturally" struggling with swarmers.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    You know that your original username will have the same IP and eventually all your posts will merge into one account and you'll look ridiculous?

    Remember Cotto20?
     
  7. Flea Man

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    So, apparently Pea ducked Taylor but Chavez was 'gifted' the win over Taylor.

    Ergo, Howard Davis Jr is the joint G.O.A.T? Is that how this works?

    Floyd never fought Tszyu, Margarito, Pacquiao, Johnston, loads of fighters.

    Instead he picked on light welter Ortiz, featherweight Marquez and club fighter Gatti.

    I don't mean any of that but, if you can't beat 'em, smear your **** all over the walls whilst eating chocolate covered onions and join 'em.
     
  8. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Napoles simply didn't face enough good fighters at 135 to force a fight with Ortiz.

    He faced some good fighters and could have been given a shot, but being a high risk proposition, it's understandable that Ortiz wouldn't just throw him a fight unless he had to in order to defend his title.

    If Napoles wanted to fight Ortiz he could have done so by sticking around another 18 months and posting some wins against the likes of Laguna and co. Then it would have happened.
     
  9. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't forget that Duran was scared of Napoles

    He treats McGirt like a journeyman

    Thinks the Rivera fight was at Pea's prime and at the peak of his powers

    Granted it's not at the level of Frank who thinks Ramirez beat Pea both times.

    Still waiting on that list USH... pleast post the fighters you consider leagues above Whitaker in skill.
     
  10. kingfisher3

    kingfisher3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Monzon was scared of Napoles even after he ko'ed him.
     
  12. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    The everybody ducked Napoles at 135\140 thing is one of those boxing myths that needs to be challenged more as it's grown and grown over the years.

    He was just one of numerous contenders and potential challengers toiling away without getting an easy break and initially without strong promotion\connections.

    Rodolfo Gonzalez another notable fighter in that category from the same era\weight range.Cervantes, Valdez etc the list goes on and most eventually did get their break.
     
  13. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Trace my IP, i dont have another account.
     
  14. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    I think it was a bull**** call and had steele not stopped it, the fight would have been over and julio would have lost.

    Cokes was better than taylor and was the champ for the past 3 years, easily the better win. Especially the manner in which he beat him, compared to chavez basically getting a gift from richard steele. At the end of the day cokes is a better fighter than taylor, who wont even make the hall of fame.
     
  15. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Poor guy. I'll help you crazy op dude.

    Pernell Whitaker is invincible. I would take him to win a head to head fight with anyone.