is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think so too.

    Great at closing down the ring and super educated and ferocious on the inside.

    Whereas someone like Pryor would throw a lot of garbage shots which would give Pea room to escape, Duran will not be as easy to ward off and evade.

    I am of course assuming Duran takes the fight in full seriousness and doesn't turn up in Bizarro/Viruet I cruise control mode, or out of peak shape ala DeJesus I or Benitez.

    The Duran of the Buchanan or Vilomar Fernandez fight would do the trick.
     
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  2. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    I think Duran is a fighter pea could win fights over actually, duran always struggled against movers and weight cutting is always going to be an issue with him. I also think Ike would beat Duran at his own game and 'out macho him'.
     
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  3. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Relax I view your analysis as a joke too, especially in regards to pac and floyd. Just because pernell beat a few decent good swarmers, that doesnt mean he beats every atg swarmer, especially the ones with far superior atheltic ability. You are not worth discussing. Ramirez and Haugen fights are not a blueprint for how fantasy fights against atg end up, I know you want to use it as a blueprint its not.

    At the end of the day its just fantasy scenarios, actual fights are the only thing that matters. No one would have predicted Nunn kos Kalambay out early. No one predicts benitez actually stops hope to win his belt. No one predicts duran loses to leonard by quitting. No one predicts buster stops tyson. Thats why fights happen, you can shove your opinion down my throat, I have seen just as many fights as you have.
     
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  4. sweet_scientist

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    And just to add to that, Beau Jack would have a better chance of beating Pernell than Ike Williams.

    Beau actually fared well against the movers, unlike Ike.
     
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  5. turbotime

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    Would like to see how Duran handled Williams big left. Williams was a helluva finisher too. What a fight that'd be regardless :neutral:
     
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  6. turbotime

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    I was JUST going to type this. Agreed :good
     
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  7. ushvinder

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    He fought much better because chavez isnt as good as people thought, while cokes was outclassed by a better figher. I love reading chavez is overrated threads, theres so many all over the net. You just hype his head to head abilites because hes pernell whitaker's legacy fight.
     
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  8. KuRuPT

    KuRuPT Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I actually think Pea gives Duran a lot of trouble.... That one is hard for me to call actually. Way too close to call..
     
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  9. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You could have mentioned Chavez and Nelson but you chose Ramirez and Huagen. Straw man at it again.

    Obviously unpredictable **** can happen, that doesn't mean I can say Ricardo Lopez ko's Lennox Lewis and it's just an opinion like anything else.

    It's all about offering educated opinion.

    You can start any time you want now :good
     
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  10. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cokes was outclassed often.

    Chavez at least always found a way to win in his prime.
     
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  11. sweet_scientist

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    It's funny though, Cokes seemed to struggle quite a bit with smaller types:

    Stable, Alvarez, Napoles.
     
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  12. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Cokes is still a better fighter than meldrick. Napoles performance against cokes was much better than chavez essentially losing 12 rounds to meldrick.
     
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  13. ushvinder

    ushvinder Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah because cokes is an outlier in regards to his era for losing often and chavez is an outlier for his era. Your argument is nonsense and comical. Cokes got the better of rodriguez, chavez beat 3 very good fighters and a bunch of b level fighter. Either way ive never argued cokes deserves to be higher than chavez all time, so dont know what your barking.
     
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  14. sweet_scientist

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    Taylor's performance > Cokes' performance.

    Easily.

    There to see for anyone that has eyes.
     
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  15. Hands of Iron

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    That's really more to do with his persona than how he actually fought in the ring. He wasn't in there to literally trade with you punch-for-punch. He wasn't about taking punishment for the sake of all-out aggression and attack. Maybe early 70s incarnations, but before exiting 135 you see a fighter making great use of his jab, using a variety of different feints to get inside, slipping and rolling shots with sharp counters. He was as dexterous as you could be for the style he employed.
     
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