is Pernel Whitaker Overrated?

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  1. Hands of Iron

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  2. UP93

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    Again this is a stupid example of what you've been doing the whole thread, saying Whitaker fans say this and that but can you please show me 1, just 1 post where anyone has said anything like he beat 10 HOF fighters?

    If not either tone your trolling nonsense down or **** off.
     
  3. Flea Man

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    Even if I didn't know the circumstances of any of those wins I'd still be flabbergasted.
     
  4. Hands of Iron

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    10 Hall of Famers is child's play.






    :lol: :yep
     
  5. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    About as insurmountable as it gets.

    Maybe. ;)
     
  6. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Having fought a couple of those HOFer guys...

    I'm not sure, after 10, that I would be anything more than a drooling paraplegic, having some dear relative type my inane ramblings to you on a MUCH worse computer than I am, thankfully, able to now afford.
     
  7. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    :lol:

    Get out, Magna. That's more sarcastic and ridiculous than the post you quoted.

    As it turns out, Greb has 13 on his record. Anything but child's play.
     
  8. blacktopbully

    blacktopbully Boxing Addict banned

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    smh stop trying to act like you're not an alt and you're new here :-(

    you mad you lost an argument what good is it gonna do to make up a new name and start the argument all over again huh benny?
     
  9. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was meant to be :lol:
     
  10. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I purnel whitacre, last of the Kalule's
     
  11. werety

    werety Active Member Full Member

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    On this forum. Absolutely.
     
  12. Hands of Iron

    Hands of Iron #MSE Full Member

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    :lol: :oops:

    So what do you make of Greb, personally? Is his record - and fighting some much bigger men - enough to flat-out call him the greatest fighter of all-time considering there is footage of some of the top guys he beat? Or does it simply put him in the conversation, with the title being reserved for others we've seen in far more detail with resumes of their own that are nothing to sneeze at?
     
  13. MagnaNasakki

    MagnaNasakki Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Greb is a lock for top 3.

    And I dunno that it matters to dispute any more than that;).

    He's one of the best to ever do it. I gotta give my #1 to SRR- One of the most amazing resumes coupled with near invincibility on film. I watch his clips weekly. Observing him take apart guys like Jake LaMotta, Graziano, and decking a guy like Fullmer...I can't get over it, because I can't imagine another natural 150 pounder doing it.

    Greb, I'd love to see. I bet he looked pretty spectacular himself.
     
  14. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  15. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I would say he's more underrated. He's the only lightweight who deserves to be mentioned next to Benny Leonard. He's possabaly the best pure boxer ever. Not only was he the undisputed lightweight champion. He was also the light welterweight, welterweight and light middleweight champion. He also won an Olympic gold medal.